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From: "Andrew Fish via groups.io" <afish=apple.com@groups.io>
To: edk2-devel-groups-io <devel@edk2.groups.io>,
	Ard Biesheuvel <ardb@kernel.org>
Cc: Pedro Falcato <pedro.falcato@gmail.com>,
	lichao@loongson.cn, Liming Gao <gaoliming@byosoft.com.cn>,
	Bob Feng <bob.c.feng@intel.com>,
	Yuwei Chen <yuwei.chen@intel.com>
Subject: Re: [edk2-devel] About EDK2 supports Self Modifying Code
Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2023 14:26:11 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <0F79F614-3F6B-4262-93A6-26DF5FB8C11A@apple.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAMj1kXEh+fqH4pr7=nuFLHYb5fczmn=OMcpTiiKi6gWNs2o6Ew@mail.gmail.com>

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> On Aug 15, 2023, at 11:48 AM, Ard Biesheuvel <ardb@kernel.org> wrote:
> 
> On Tue, 15 Aug 2023 at 18:31, Andrew Fish via groups.io <http://groups.io/>
> <afish=apple.com@groups.io <mailto:afish=apple.com@groups.io>> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Aug 15, 2023, at 8:39 AM, Pedro Falcato <pedro.falcato@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> On Tue, Aug 15, 2023 at 4:05 PM Andrew Fish via groups.io
>>> <afish=apple.com@groups.io> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Chao,
>>>> 
>>>> From a quick google it looks like CSR* is used to access banks of registers that relate to things like performance counters and debug infrastructure and the number of banks of these register sets is likely implementation defined. Seems like we could introduce some Fixed At Build PCD values that define the maximum number of elements in a given bank.
>>>> 
>>>> If we are forced to use assembler it might be possible to write some macros that used the fixed at build values to only generate functions for banks that are needed for a given build. Then I think it becomes an exercise in dead code stripping the assembler. Most compilers generate assembler that contains functions that can be stripped as long as those functions follow certain rules.
>>>> 
>>>> As a side note it would be good for us to have an FAQ/Wiki entry for the dead code stripping rules for the various flavors of assembler. I know the Apple assembler has a unique take on this.
>>> 
>>> FWIW, I'm almost positive there's no DCE in GNU as (or llvm-as as
>>> well). Unless you use something ffunction-sections
>>> -fdata-sections-like, but then you're relying on the linker +
>>> gc-sections to take care of it, just like GCC/clang would.
>>> 
>> 
>> I guess I usually think of DCE as a linker job, since the linker knows the functions that are NOT called. At least from the Apple tools the DCE has the same rules if you are using Link Time Optimization or not. It is basically a flag in the object that tells the inker it is OK to follow the DCE rules around labels and remove stuff.
>> 
>> Worst case it seems like we could have macros that generate assembly files based on build time constants so we have one function per file. This might take a tweak to the build system, but I’d rather do that than have library functions that magically turn on Self Modifying Code.
>> 
>> Regardless of the answer I think documenting the rules is a useful exercises since needing to save size in firmware images is not an uncommon task.
>> 
> 
> There is already prior art in MdePkg where code targeting both GCC and
> VS uses inline asm, so I don't see why we would make our lives
> difficult and deviate from that for LoongArch.
> 

If you look at the BaseLib you can see an example of the INF file[1] using C inline assembler for the GCC family[2] of compilers and NASM for the MSFT [3] tools. Maybe you can plan on using a similar pattern.

[1] https://github.com/tianocore/edk2/blob/master/MdePkg/Library/BaseLib/BaseLib.inf#L321
[2] https://github.com/tianocore/edk2/blob/master/MdePkg/Library/BaseLib/X64/GccInline.c
[3] https://github.com/tianocore/edk2/blob/master/MdePkg/Library/BaseLib/X64/CpuPause.nasm

Thanks,

Andrew Fish

> 
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  reply	other threads:[~2023-08-15 21:26 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 18+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-08-15  3:06 [edk2-devel] About EDK2 supports Self Modifying Code Chao Li
2023-08-15  4:57 ` Andrew Fish via groups.io
2023-08-15  8:20   ` Chao Li
2023-08-15  8:28     ` Ard Biesheuvel
2023-08-15  8:54       ` Chao Li
2023-08-15 15:05         ` Andrew Fish via groups.io
2023-08-15 15:39           ` Pedro Falcato
2023-08-15 16:30             ` Andrew Fish via groups.io
2023-08-15 18:48               ` Ard Biesheuvel
2023-08-15 21:26                 ` Andrew Fish via groups.io [this message]
2023-08-17  3:38                   ` Chao Li
2023-08-15 15:35     ` Pedro Falcato
2023-08-17  2:30       ` Chao Li
2023-08-17 19:53         ` Michael D Kinney
2023-08-17 20:55           ` Andrew Fish via groups.io
2023-08-19  2:18             ` Chao Li
2023-08-19  4:29               ` Michael D Kinney
2023-08-25  4:02                 ` Chao Li

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