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From: "Laszlo Ersek" <lersek@redhat.com>
To: Ard Biesheuvel <ard.biesheuvel@linaro.org>
Cc: edk2-devel-groups-io <devel@edk2.groups.io>,
	Sean Brogan <sean.brogan@microsoft.com>
Subject: Re: [edk2-devel] [PATCH] .azurepipelines: Enable CI for OvmfPkg and EmulatorPkg
Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2020 14:13:09 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <17a5f1c0-d636-7aa4-fe0d-2b9946b93f4c@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAKv+Gu9ui_5s2y8fnWznqvCyAybj8taZJ2PMy1Y2xH2iG7FSfw@mail.gmail.com>

On 03/30/20 23:22, Ard Biesheuvel wrote:
> On Mon, 30 Mar 2020 at 22:56, Laszlo Ersek <lersek@redhat.com> wrote:
>>
>> On 03/30/20 19:44, Ard Biesheuvel wrote:
>>> On Mon, 30 Mar 2020 at 19:11, Sean via Groups.Io
>>> <sean.brogan=microsoft.com@groups.io> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Mar 30, 2020 at 10:04 AM, Ard Biesheuvel wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Is there any way I could contribute ArmVirtQemu to this? Or would it
>>>> be easier if I provided comments/instructions?
>>>>
>>>> Either way.
>>>> Any instructions you provide would be great.  I was going to hack something up for feedback but happy for someone else to do it.   Let me know.
>>>
>>> OK, so the typical invocation would be
>>>
>>> qemu-system-aarch64 -M virt -cpu cortex-a57 -m 1024 -net none
>>> -nographic -bios .../path/to/QEMU_EFI.fd -hda
>>> fat:rw:.../path/to/startup.nsh
>>>
>>> The only complication compared to OVMF is that there is no separate
>>> serial port for debug output vs console output, so everything is going
>>> to come out of the same pipe, and grep'ing the console output for
>>> meaningful strings may easily result in false positives. (-pflash
>>> could be used as well, but doesn't really add anything in this case,
>>> and QEMU for ARM has a quirk where pflash images must be exactly 64 MB
>>> in size)
>>
>> I'm begging you not to introduce instances of "-bios" anywhere near
>> edk2. Please? :) We need to educate QEMU users, and we need to keep our
>> sanity when facing bug reports. Let's not set bad examples anywhere, if
>> we can manage.
>>
>> I think truncate(1) can do what we need for padding, without actually
>> allocating those MBs.
>>
> 
> truncate should work on Linux, but I have no idea how to pad an image
> to a certain size on Windows, and I think the idea was to enable both?
> 
> In any case, I don't feel as strongly about this as Laszlo does: even
> though -bios really shouldn't be used when you are actually installing
> an OS into the VM, I don't think it is inappropriate for booting into
> a shell and nothing else. Perhaps we could annotate the scripts in a
> way that discourages people from adopting it?
> 
> Or if there is an easy way to make this work on both Windows and Linux
> using -pflash, I obviously wouldn't mind. I just don't feel it is
> essential.

OK, thank you.

Meta-comment: while I have strong opinions about these matters, I'm 100%
aware that I cannot put in basically any actual work. So I'm trying to
police myself in that I make suggestions politely and really only as
moderate suggestions, not as "demands" or knee-jerk reactions.
Unfortunately, I sometimes slip up, and my thoughts hit the list in less
than optimal form. I'm really sorry about that!

It's a fine line -- I don't want to ignore this topic (esp. when asked
for an opinion), but then again I shouldn't present unreasonable
"requirements", without the capacity to contribute code. Please bear
with me. :)

Thanks!
Laszlo


  reply	other threads:[~2020-03-31 12:13 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 50+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2020-03-26  7:04 [PATCH] .azurepipelines: Enable CI for OvmfPkg and EmulatorPkg Zhang, Shenglei
2020-03-26  7:11 ` [edk2-devel] " Rebecca Cran
2020-03-26  7:50   ` [EXTERNAL] " Bret Barkelew
2020-03-26  8:43 ` Ard Biesheuvel
2020-03-26  8:45   ` Zhang, Shenglei
2020-03-27 14:36   ` Laszlo Ersek
2020-03-27 14:39     ` Laszlo Ersek
2020-03-26 23:26 ` [EXTERNAL] " Bret Barkelew
2020-03-27  0:00   ` Michael D Kinney
2020-03-27  0:14     ` Bret Barkelew
2020-03-27  1:59       ` Michael D Kinney
2020-03-27  2:04         ` Liming Gao
2020-03-27  2:50           ` Sean
2020-03-28  2:29 ` [edk2-devel] " Sean
2020-03-28  2:38   ` Rebecca Cran
2020-03-28  2:48     ` Sean
2020-03-28 19:29       ` Sean
2020-03-28 20:28         ` Ard Biesheuvel
2020-03-28 21:47           ` Sean
2020-03-29  8:51             ` Ard Biesheuvel
2020-03-29 23:16               ` Sean
2020-03-30  1:44                 ` Andrew Fish
2020-03-30  6:07                 ` Ard Biesheuvel
2020-03-30  9:31                   ` Sean
2020-03-30  9:35                     ` Ard Biesheuvel
2020-03-30 17:00                       ` Sean
2020-03-30 17:04                         ` Ard Biesheuvel
2020-03-30 17:11                           ` Sean
2020-03-30 17:44                             ` Ard Biesheuvel
2020-03-30 19:07                               ` Sean
2020-03-30 19:51                                 ` Ard Biesheuvel
2020-03-30 20:56                               ` Laszlo Ersek
2020-03-30 21:03                                 ` Sean
2020-03-30 21:13                                   ` Rebecca Cran
2020-04-05  6:39                                   ` Sean
2020-04-06 10:11                                     ` Ard Biesheuvel
2020-04-07 13:21                                       ` Laszlo Ersek
2020-03-30 21:22                                 ` Ard Biesheuvel
2020-03-31 12:13                                   ` Laszlo Ersek [this message]
2020-03-30 21:11                   ` Laszlo Ersek
2020-03-30 21:29                     ` Michael D Kinney
2020-03-30 21:42                       ` Sean
2020-03-30 21:46                         ` Ard Biesheuvel
2020-03-31  6:31                           ` Sean
2020-03-31  6:40                             ` Ard Biesheuvel
2020-03-31 16:26                               ` Sean
2020-03-31 16:32                                 ` Ard Biesheuvel
2020-03-30 22:45                         ` Rebecca Cran
2020-03-30 22:58                         ` Michael D Kinney
2020-03-31 12:27                       ` Laszlo Ersek

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