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From: Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk <konrad@kernel.org>
To: Laszlo Ersek <lersek@redhat.com>,
	anthony.perard@citrix.com, xen-devel@lists.xenproject.org,
	ian.jackson@citrix.com
Cc: Jordan Justen <jordan.l.justen@intel.com>,
	Leif Lindholm <leif.lindholm@linaro.org>,
	Michael D Kinney <michael.d.kinney@intel.com>,
	edk2-devel@lists.01.org, Andrew Fish <afish@apple.com>,
	Ard Biesheuvel <ard.biesheuvel@linaro.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] Maintainers.txt: update OvmfPkg maintainership
Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2017 21:30:37 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20170823013035.GA26686@localhost.localdomain> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <f8e4a407-f3af-195d-3abe-b7d5581ed189@redhat.com>

On Thu, Aug 17, 2017 at 01:47:59AM +0200, Laszlo Ersek wrote:
> On 08/17/17 00:37, Jordan Justen wrote:
> > On 2017-08-16 12:23:49, Leif Lindholm wrote:
> 
> [snip]
> 
> >> - the value proposition
> >> for Linaro is that having maintainer parity ArmVirtPkg/OvmfPkg
> >> simplifies the task of maintaining feature parity between the two.
> >> (It is no secret that I would love to see them as a single package,
> >> making it easier to clean up the way EDK2-for-qemu gets packaged by
> >> Linux distributions.)
> > 
> > I would also prefer to have OVMF support ARM and eventually RISC-V as
> > well. I don't think Laszlo feels as confident about this though.
> 
> I have two concerns:
> 
> (1) Reorganizing OvmfPkg for this would take an immense amount of time
> (with possible regressions).
> 
> (2) Sharing more code between modules that aren't inherently
> architecture-independent (and virtualization platform-independent) is risky.
> 
> By "sharing more code", I mean extracting further library classes and
> then unifying originally separate drivers. I also mean extracting common
> files from separate library instances, and then unifying the lib
> instances in a common directory, with multiple INF files, or with
> arch-dependent sections in the one resultant INF file. Another method is
> to control the same set of drivers / library instances differently, via
> dynamic PCDs.
> 
> While all this is great for code de-duplication, the chance of
> regressions skyrockets if the code de-dup is not matched by a similar
> overlap in maintenance (that is, review and testing).
> 
> Personally I use QEMU/KVM (and occasionally QEMU/TCG) on x86 and
> aarch64. I don't use 32-bit ARM (even guests, on aarch64 hosts), or any
> kind of Xen. I've never seen RISC-V hardware (and probably won't --
> nested TCG with QEMU doesn't count).
> 
> The best counter-indication for this kind of increased sharing is the
> *numerous* Xen-related regressions that have slipped through in the
> past, simply because none of the OvmfPkg maintainers use Xen. (And the
> Xen project seems to be unwilling or unable to delegate an official
> reviewer or co-maintainer for the Xen-related code in OvmfPkg, despite
> my repeated requests.) This has happened under ArmVirtPkg too (I recall

Who did you email/speak to? I hadn't seen any emails sent by
you to xen-devel mailing list, but perhaps I missed them?

It should be fairly simple to expand the 0-day OSSTest to build
TianoCore and launch guests with it as a nice regression test.

> ACPI vs. DT related changes -- surprisingly, even *that* selection is
> specific to the virtualization platform.)
> 
> The bottleneck in open source development is not writing code, it is
> reviewing and regression-testing code. (This is painfully obvious in
> Linux kernel and QEMU development, but the same can be experienced on
> edk2-devel as well.) Therefore OvmfPkg's structure should match the
> distribution of OvmfPkg's active stake-holders over architectures and
> virtualization platforms.
> 
> IMO the current code sharing between OvmfPkg and ArmVirtPkg, while
> certainly not 100% polished, is workable -- meaning that it mostly
> corresponds to the stakes that ArmVirtPkg and OvmfPkg maintainers and
> long-term contributors hold in the shared modules.
> 
> In fact, these stakes would be much better reflected if Ard *too* were a
> Maintainer for OvmfPkg.
> 
> Thanks
> Laszlo
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  parent reply	other threads:[~2017-08-23  1:28 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 14+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2017-08-16 17:17 [PATCH] Maintainers.txt: update OvmfPkg maintainership Leif Lindholm
2017-08-16 17:23 ` Kinney, Michael D
2017-08-16 18:02 ` Laszlo Ersek
2017-08-16 19:17   ` Ard Biesheuvel
2017-08-16 18:09 ` Jordan Justen
2017-08-16 18:26   ` Laszlo Ersek
2017-08-16 19:23   ` Leif Lindholm
2017-08-16 22:37     ` Jordan Justen
2017-08-16 23:47       ` Laszlo Ersek
2017-08-17 10:12         ` Leif Lindholm
2017-08-17 11:57           ` Laszlo Ersek
2017-08-23  1:30         ` Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk [this message]
2017-08-23  9:04           ` Laszlo Ersek
2017-08-23  9:17             ` Wei Liu

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