** NOTICE ** edk2-devel mailing list configuration changes

** NOTICE ** edk2-devel mailing list configuration changes

[Kinney, Michael D]

Hello,

Some configuration changes have been made to 
the edk2-devel mailing list to handle posts from
a domain with a DMARC Reject/Quarantine policy
enabled. If this is detected then the from address
is now munged.

One side effect of this setting is that the 
behavior of Reply has changed.  Instead of being 
a reply to the poster of the message, the Reply
address is the edk2-devel mailing list.

If you wish to send a private reply to only the
poster of the message, you may have to perform
some manual steps.

Please let me know if you have any concerns about
these changes or if these configuration changes 
cause any other side effects.

Thanks,

Mike

Re: ** NOTICE ** edk2-devel mailing list configuration changes

[Leif Lindholm]

Hi Mike,

On Mon, Oct 29, 2018 at 06:42:44PM +0000, Kinney, Michael D wrote:
> Some configuration changes have been made to 
> the edk2-devel mailing list to handle posts from
> a domain with a DMARC Reject/Quarantine policy
> enabled. If this is detected then the from address
> is now munged.
> 
> One side effect of this setting is that the 
> behavior of Reply has changed.  Instead of being 
> a reply to the poster of the message, the Reply
> address is the edk2-devel mailing list.

The behaviour looks somewhat broken, since as far as I can tell,
replies now longer include the person you're replying to.
(This doesn't happen when replying specifically to _you_, because you
cc yourself on everything).

> If you wish to send a private reply to only the
> poster of the message, you may have to perform
> some manual steps.
> 
> Please let me know if you have any concerns about
> these changes or if these configuration changes 
> cause any other side effects.

Can we make sure the person being replied to is at least on cc?
Otherwise, we've just broken the workflow for anyone filtering on
whether they are on "to" or "cc".

Why was this change necessary?

Regards,

Leif

Re: ** NOTICE ** edk2-devel mailing list configuration changes

[Kinney, Michael D]

Leif,

I have enabled a different configuration setting 
that should be better.

Please try some emails and let me know if there
are any impacts.

The reason for these changes is the DMARC related
issue that occurred on 10-19-2018 that required a
number of users to be disabled.  The goal of these
changes is to enable those users to be re-activated.

Thanks,

Mike

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Leif Lindholm [mailto:leif.lindholm@linaro.org]
> Sent: Monday, October 29, 2018 12:54 PM
> To: EDK II Development <edk2-devel@lists.01.org>
> Cc: Kinney, Michael D <michael.d.kinney@intel.com>;
> Cetola, Stephano <stephano.cetola@intel.com>
> Subject: Re: [edk2] ** NOTICE ** edk2-devel mailing list
> configuration changes
> 
> Hi Mike,
> 
> On Mon, Oct 29, 2018 at 06:42:44PM +0000, Kinney,
> Michael D wrote:
> > Some configuration changes have been made to
> > the edk2-devel mailing list to handle posts from
> > a domain with a DMARC Reject/Quarantine policy
> > enabled. If this is detected then the from address
> > is now munged.
> >
> > One side effect of this setting is that the
> > behavior of Reply has changed.  Instead of being
> > a reply to the poster of the message, the Reply
> > address is the edk2-devel mailing list.
> 
> The behaviour looks somewhat broken, since as far as I
> can tell,
> replies now longer include the person you're replying
> to.
> (This doesn't happen when replying specifically to
> _you_, because you
> cc yourself on everything).
> 
> > If you wish to send a private reply to only the
> > poster of the message, you may have to perform
> > some manual steps.
> >
> > Please let me know if you have any concerns about
> > these changes or if these configuration changes
> > cause any other side effects.
> 
> Can we make sure the person being replied to is at least
> on cc?
> Otherwise, we've just broken the workflow for anyone
> filtering on
> whether they are on "to" or "cc".
> 
> Why was this change necessary?
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Leif

Re: ** NOTICE ** edk2-devel mailing list configuration changes

[Leif Lindholm]

Hi Mike,

When I try to "reply-to", the email from Paul A Lohr, sent 10 minutes
after your one below, he does not show up in either "to" or "cc".

OK, I missed the excitement during the plugfest. I'll go back and see
what I can find there.

Regards,

Leif

On Mon, Oct 29, 2018 at 08:23:43PM +0000, Kinney, Michael D wrote:
> Leif,
> 
> I have enabled a different configuration setting 
> that should be better.
> 
> Please try some emails and let me know if there
> are any impacts.
> 
> The reason for these changes is the DMARC related
> issue that occurred on 10-19-2018 that required a
> number of users to be disabled.  The goal of these
> changes is to enable those users to be re-activated.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Mike
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Leif Lindholm [mailto:leif.lindholm@linaro.org]
> > Sent: Monday, October 29, 2018 12:54 PM
> > To: EDK II Development <edk2-devel@lists.01.org>
> > Cc: Kinney, Michael D <michael.d.kinney@intel.com>;
> > Cetola, Stephano <stephano.cetola@intel.com>
> > Subject: Re: [edk2] ** NOTICE ** edk2-devel mailing list
> > configuration changes
> > 
> > Hi Mike,
> > 
> > On Mon, Oct 29, 2018 at 06:42:44PM +0000, Kinney,
> > Michael D wrote:
> > > Some configuration changes have been made to
> > > the edk2-devel mailing list to handle posts from
> > > a domain with a DMARC Reject/Quarantine policy
> > > enabled. If this is detected then the from address
> > > is now munged.
> > >
> > > One side effect of this setting is that the
> > > behavior of Reply has changed.  Instead of being
> > > a reply to the poster of the message, the Reply
> > > address is the edk2-devel mailing list.
> > 
> > The behaviour looks somewhat broken, since as far as I
> > can tell,
> > replies now longer include the person you're replying
> > to.
> > (This doesn't happen when replying specifically to
> > _you_, because you
> > cc yourself on everything).
> > 
> > > If you wish to send a private reply to only the
> > > poster of the message, you may have to perform
> > > some manual steps.
> > >
> > > Please let me know if you have any concerns about
> > > these changes or if these configuration changes
> > > cause any other side effects.
> > 
> > Can we make sure the person being replied to is at least
> > on cc?
> > Otherwise, we've just broken the workflow for anyone
> > filtering on
> > whether they are on "to" or "cc".
> > 
> > Why was this change necessary?
> > 
> > Regards,
> > 
> > Leif

Re: ** NOTICE ** edk2-devel mailing list configuration changes

[Kinney, Michael D]

Leif,

Very strange.  When I do the same on that email, it
shows Paul on the To address line.  

Mike

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Leif Lindholm [mailto:leif.lindholm@linaro.org]
> Sent: Monday, October 29, 2018 1:40 PM
> To: Kinney, Michael D <michael.d.kinney@intel.com>
> Cc: EDK II Development <edk2-devel@lists.01.org>;
> Cetola, Stephano <stephano.cetola@intel.com>
> Subject: Re: [edk2] ** NOTICE ** edk2-devel mailing list
> configuration changes
> 
> Hi Mike,
> 
> When I try to "reply-to", the email from Paul A Lohr,
> sent 10 minutes
> after your one below, he does not show up in either "to"
> or "cc".
> 
> OK, I missed the excitement during the plugfest. I'll go
> back and see
> what I can find there.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Leif
> 
> On Mon, Oct 29, 2018 at 08:23:43PM +0000, Kinney,
> Michael D wrote:
> > Leif,
> >
> > I have enabled a different configuration setting
> > that should be better.
> >
> > Please try some emails and let me know if there
> > are any impacts.
> >
> > The reason for these changes is the DMARC related
> > issue that occurred on 10-19-2018 that required a
> > number of users to be disabled.  The goal of these
> > changes is to enable those users to be re-activated.
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Mike
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Leif Lindholm
> [mailto:leif.lindholm@linaro.org]
> > > Sent: Monday, October 29, 2018 12:54 PM
> > > To: EDK II Development <edk2-devel@lists.01.org>
> > > Cc: Kinney, Michael D <michael.d.kinney@intel.com>;
> > > Cetola, Stephano <stephano.cetola@intel.com>
> > > Subject: Re: [edk2] ** NOTICE ** edk2-devel mailing
> list
> > > configuration changes
> > >
> > > Hi Mike,
> > >
> > > On Mon, Oct 29, 2018 at 06:42:44PM +0000, Kinney,
> > > Michael D wrote:
> > > > Some configuration changes have been made to
> > > > the edk2-devel mailing list to handle posts from
> > > > a domain with a DMARC Reject/Quarantine policy
> > > > enabled. If this is detected then the from address
> > > > is now munged.
> > > >
> > > > One side effect of this setting is that the
> > > > behavior of Reply has changed.  Instead of being
> > > > a reply to the poster of the message, the Reply
> > > > address is the edk2-devel mailing list.
> > >
> > > The behaviour looks somewhat broken, since as far as
> I
> > > can tell,
> > > replies now longer include the person you're
> replying
> > > to.
> > > (This doesn't happen when replying specifically to
> > > _you_, because you
> > > cc yourself on everything).
> > >
> > > > If you wish to send a private reply to only the
> > > > poster of the message, you may have to perform
> > > > some manual steps.
> > > >
> > > > Please let me know if you have any concerns about
> > > > these changes or if these configuration changes
> > > > cause any other side effects.
> > >
> > > Can we make sure the person being replied to is at
> least
> > > on cc?
> > > Otherwise, we've just broken the workflow for anyone
> > > filtering on
> > > whether they are on "to" or "cc".
> > >
> > > Why was this change necessary?
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > >
> > > Leif

Re: ** NOTICE ** edk2-devel mailing list configuration changes

[Leif Lindholm]

Hi Mike,

I could hypothesise about which email client you may be using :)

But let me instead mention that the two email clients I have (mutt and
gmail web interface) behave identically - neither adds the original
sender to cc when the list server forces a reply-to header.

Regards,

Leif

On Mon, Oct 29, 2018 at 08:49:09PM +0000, Kinney, Michael D wrote:
> Leif,
> 
> Very strange.  When I do the same on that email, it
> shows Paul on the To address line.  
> 
> Mike
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Leif Lindholm [mailto:leif.lindholm@linaro.org]
> > Sent: Monday, October 29, 2018 1:40 PM
> > To: Kinney, Michael D <michael.d.kinney@intel.com>
> > Cc: EDK II Development <edk2-devel@lists.01.org>;
> > Cetola, Stephano <stephano.cetola@intel.com>
> > Subject: Re: [edk2] ** NOTICE ** edk2-devel mailing list
> > configuration changes
> > 
> > Hi Mike,
> > 
> > When I try to "reply-to", the email from Paul A Lohr,
> > sent 10 minutes
> > after your one below, he does not show up in either "to"
> > or "cc".
> > 
> > OK, I missed the excitement during the plugfest. I'll go
> > back and see
> > what I can find there.
> > 
> > Regards,
> > 
> > Leif
> > 
> > On Mon, Oct 29, 2018 at 08:23:43PM +0000, Kinney,
> > Michael D wrote:
> > > Leif,
> > >
> > > I have enabled a different configuration setting
> > > that should be better.
> > >
> > > Please try some emails and let me know if there
> > > are any impacts.
> > >
> > > The reason for these changes is the DMARC related
> > > issue that occurred on 10-19-2018 that required a
> > > number of users to be disabled.  The goal of these
> > > changes is to enable those users to be re-activated.
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > >
> > > Mike
> > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Leif Lindholm
> > [mailto:leif.lindholm@linaro.org]
> > > > Sent: Monday, October 29, 2018 12:54 PM
> > > > To: EDK II Development <edk2-devel@lists.01.org>
> > > > Cc: Kinney, Michael D <michael.d.kinney@intel.com>;
> > > > Cetola, Stephano <stephano.cetola@intel.com>
> > > > Subject: Re: [edk2] ** NOTICE ** edk2-devel mailing
> > list
> > > > configuration changes
> > > >
> > > > Hi Mike,
> > > >
> > > > On Mon, Oct 29, 2018 at 06:42:44PM +0000, Kinney,
> > > > Michael D wrote:
> > > > > Some configuration changes have been made to
> > > > > the edk2-devel mailing list to handle posts from
> > > > > a domain with a DMARC Reject/Quarantine policy
> > > > > enabled. If this is detected then the from address
> > > > > is now munged.
> > > > >
> > > > > One side effect of this setting is that the
> > > > > behavior of Reply has changed.  Instead of being
> > > > > a reply to the poster of the message, the Reply
> > > > > address is the edk2-devel mailing list.
> > > >
> > > > The behaviour looks somewhat broken, since as far as
> > I
> > > > can tell,
> > > > replies now longer include the person you're
> > replying
> > > > to.
> > > > (This doesn't happen when replying specifically to
> > > > _you_, because you
> > > > cc yourself on everything).
> > > >
> > > > > If you wish to send a private reply to only the
> > > > > poster of the message, you may have to perform
> > > > > some manual steps.
> > > > >
> > > > > Please let me know if you have any concerns about
> > > > > these changes or if these configuration changes
> > > > > cause any other side effects.
> > > >
> > > > Can we make sure the person being replied to is at
> > least
> > > > on cc?
> > > > Otherwise, we've just broken the workflow for anyone
> > > > filtering on
> > > > whether they are on "to" or "cc".
> > > >
> > > > Why was this change necessary?
> > > >
> > > > Regards,
> > > >
> > > > Leif

Re: ** NOTICE ** edk2-devel mailing list configuration changes

[Carsey, Jaben]

I have the same behavior as Leif describes (with probably the hypothesized client).

When I reply, I get nothing but the mailing list in "to" (empty "cc").

-Jaben

> -----Original Message-----
> From: edk2-devel [mailto:edk2-devel-bounces@lists.01.org] On Behalf Of
> Leif Lindholm
> Sent: Monday, October 29, 2018 2:10 PM
> To: Kinney, Michael D <michael.d.kinney@intel.com>
> Cc: EDK II Development <edk2-devel@lists.01.org>; Cetola, Stephano
> <stephano.cetola@intel.com>
> Subject: Re: [edk2] ** NOTICE ** edk2-devel mailing list configuration
> changes
> 
> Hi Mike,
> 
> I could hypothesise about which email client you may be using :)
> 
> But let me instead mention that the two email clients I have (mutt and
> gmail web interface) behave identically - neither adds the original
> sender to cc when the list server forces a reply-to header.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Leif
> 
> On Mon, Oct 29, 2018 at 08:49:09PM +0000, Kinney, Michael D wrote:
> > Leif,
> >
> > Very strange.  When I do the same on that email, it
> > shows Paul on the To address line.
> >
> > Mike
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Leif Lindholm [mailto:leif.lindholm@linaro.org]
> > > Sent: Monday, October 29, 2018 1:40 PM
> > > To: Kinney, Michael D <michael.d.kinney@intel.com>
> > > Cc: EDK II Development <edk2-devel@lists.01.org>;
> > > Cetola, Stephano <stephano.cetola@intel.com>
> > > Subject: Re: [edk2] ** NOTICE ** edk2-devel mailing list
> > > configuration changes
> > >
> > > Hi Mike,
> > >
> > > When I try to "reply-to", the email from Paul A Lohr,
> > > sent 10 minutes
> > > after your one below, he does not show up in either "to"
> > > or "cc".
> > >
> > > OK, I missed the excitement during the plugfest. I'll go
> > > back and see
> > > what I can find there.
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > >
> > > Leif
> > >
> > > On Mon, Oct 29, 2018 at 08:23:43PM +0000, Kinney,
> > > Michael D wrote:
> > > > Leif,
> > > >
> > > > I have enabled a different configuration setting
> > > > that should be better.
> > > >
> > > > Please try some emails and let me know if there
> > > > are any impacts.
> > > >
> > > > The reason for these changes is the DMARC related
> > > > issue that occurred on 10-19-2018 that required a
> > > > number of users to be disabled.  The goal of these
> > > > changes is to enable those users to be re-activated.
> > > >
> > > > Thanks,
> > > >
> > > > Mike
> > > >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: Leif Lindholm
> > > [mailto:leif.lindholm@linaro.org]
> > > > > Sent: Monday, October 29, 2018 12:54 PM
> > > > > To: EDK II Development <edk2-devel@lists.01.org>
> > > > > Cc: Kinney, Michael D <michael.d.kinney@intel.com>;
> > > > > Cetola, Stephano <stephano.cetola@intel.com>
> > > > > Subject: Re: [edk2] ** NOTICE ** edk2-devel mailing
> > > list
> > > > > configuration changes
> > > > >
> > > > > Hi Mike,
> > > > >
> > > > > On Mon, Oct 29, 2018 at 06:42:44PM +0000, Kinney,
> > > > > Michael D wrote:
> > > > > > Some configuration changes have been made to
> > > > > > the edk2-devel mailing list to handle posts from
> > > > > > a domain with a DMARC Reject/Quarantine policy
> > > > > > enabled. If this is detected then the from address
> > > > > > is now munged.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > One side effect of this setting is that the
> > > > > > behavior of Reply has changed.  Instead of being
> > > > > > a reply to the poster of the message, the Reply
> > > > > > address is the edk2-devel mailing list.
> > > > >
> > > > > The behaviour looks somewhat broken, since as far as
> > > I
> > > > > can tell,
> > > > > replies now longer include the person you're
> > > replying
> > > > > to.
> > > > > (This doesn't happen when replying specifically to
> > > > > _you_, because you
> > > > > cc yourself on everything).
> > > > >
> > > > > > If you wish to send a private reply to only the
> > > > > > poster of the message, you may have to perform
> > > > > > some manual steps.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Please let me know if you have any concerns about
> > > > > > these changes or if these configuration changes
> > > > > > cause any other side effects.
> > > > >
> > > > > Can we make sure the person being replied to is at
> > > least
> > > > > on cc?
> > > > > Otherwise, we've just broken the workflow for anyone
> > > > > filtering on
> > > > > whether they are on "to" or "cc".
> > > > >
> > > > > Why was this change necessary?
> > > > >
> > > > > Regards,
> > > > >
> > > > > Leif
> _______________________________________________
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> edk2-devel@lists.01.org
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Re: ** NOTICE ** edk2-devel mailing list configuration changes

[Kinney, Michael D]

Hi Leif,

I can put the reply_goes_to_list option back to "Poster".

In that configuration, a user that has a DMARC policy of
reject will still have their from address munged.

But I noticed that the edk2-devel mailing list is not
present when anyone does a Reply-all to an email with
a munged from address.  That implied to me that everyone
would need to check if the edk2-devel mailing has been
removed from a Reply-all and add it back manually.  This
also seems like a non-ideal configuration option.

However, the behavior I am seeing could be due to some
of my client settings.

So I will put the reply_goes_to_list option back to
"Poster".

Mike

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Leif Lindholm [mailto:leif.lindholm@linaro.org]
> Sent: Monday, October 29, 2018 2:10 PM
> To: Kinney, Michael D <michael.d.kinney@intel.com>
> Cc: EDK II Development <edk2-devel@lists.01.org>;
> Cetola, Stephano <stephano.cetola@intel.com>
> Subject: Re: [edk2] ** NOTICE ** edk2-devel mailing list
> configuration changes
> 
> Hi Mike,
> 
> I could hypothesise about which email client you may be
> using :)
> 
> But let me instead mention that the two email clients I
> have (mutt and
> gmail web interface) behave identically - neither adds
> the original
> sender to cc when the list server forces a reply-to
> header.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Leif
> 
> On Mon, Oct 29, 2018 at 08:49:09PM +0000, Kinney,
> Michael D wrote:
> > Leif,
> >
> > Very strange.  When I do the same on that email, it
> > shows Paul on the To address line.
> >
> > Mike
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Leif Lindholm
> [mailto:leif.lindholm@linaro.org]
> > > Sent: Monday, October 29, 2018 1:40 PM
> > > To: Kinney, Michael D <michael.d.kinney@intel.com>
> > > Cc: EDK II Development <edk2-devel@lists.01.org>;
> > > Cetola, Stephano <stephano.cetola@intel.com>
> > > Subject: Re: [edk2] ** NOTICE ** edk2-devel mailing
> list
> > > configuration changes
> > >
> > > Hi Mike,
> > >
> > > When I try to "reply-to", the email from Paul A
> Lohr,
> > > sent 10 minutes
> > > after your one below, he does not show up in either
> "to"
> > > or "cc".
> > >
> > > OK, I missed the excitement during the plugfest.
> I'll go
> > > back and see
> > > what I can find there.
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > >
> > > Leif
> > >
> > > On Mon, Oct 29, 2018 at 08:23:43PM +0000, Kinney,
> > > Michael D wrote:
> > > > Leif,
> > > >
> > > > I have enabled a different configuration setting
> > > > that should be better.
> > > >
> > > > Please try some emails and let me know if there
> > > > are any impacts.
> > > >
> > > > The reason for these changes is the DMARC related
> > > > issue that occurred on 10-19-2018 that required a
> > > > number of users to be disabled.  The goal of these
> > > > changes is to enable those users to be re-
> activated.
> > > >
> > > > Thanks,
> > > >
> > > > Mike
> > > >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: Leif Lindholm
> > > [mailto:leif.lindholm@linaro.org]
> > > > > Sent: Monday, October 29, 2018 12:54 PM
> > > > > To: EDK II Development <edk2-devel@lists.01.org>
> > > > > Cc: Kinney, Michael D
> <michael.d.kinney@intel.com>;
> > > > > Cetola, Stephano <stephano.cetola@intel.com>
> > > > > Subject: Re: [edk2] ** NOTICE ** edk2-devel
> mailing
> > > list
> > > > > configuration changes
> > > > >
> > > > > Hi Mike,
> > > > >
> > > > > On Mon, Oct 29, 2018 at 06:42:44PM +0000,
> Kinney,
> > > > > Michael D wrote:
> > > > > > Some configuration changes have been made to
> > > > > > the edk2-devel mailing list to handle posts
> from
> > > > > > a domain with a DMARC Reject/Quarantine policy
> > > > > > enabled. If this is detected then the from
> address
> > > > > > is now munged.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > One side effect of this setting is that the
> > > > > > behavior of Reply has changed.  Instead of
> being
> > > > > > a reply to the poster of the message, the
> Reply
> > > > > > address is the edk2-devel mailing list.
> > > > >
> > > > > The behaviour looks somewhat broken, since as
> far as
> > > I
> > > > > can tell,
> > > > > replies now longer include the person you're
> > > replying
> > > > > to.
> > > > > (This doesn't happen when replying specifically
> to
> > > > > _you_, because you
> > > > > cc yourself on everything).
> > > > >
> > > > > > If you wish to send a private reply to only
> the
> > > > > > poster of the message, you may have to perform
> > > > > > some manual steps.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Please let me know if you have any concerns
> about
> > > > > > these changes or if these configuration
> changes
> > > > > > cause any other side effects.
> > > > >
> > > > > Can we make sure the person being replied to is
> at
> > > least
> > > > > on cc?
> > > > > Otherwise, we've just broken the workflow for
> anyone
> > > > > filtering on
> > > > > whether they are on "to" or "cc".
> > > > >
> > > > > Why was this change necessary?
> > > > >
> > > > > Regards,
> > > > >
> > > > > Leif

Re: ** NOTICE ** edk2-devel mailing list configuration changes

[Leif Lindholm]

Hi Mike,

That resolves the issue at my end, thanks!. But it would be good to
know how it works for others (does Intel have a default mail client
config, and could someone else verify the behaviour is how you would
normally expect?).

Regards,

Leif

On Mon, Oct 29, 2018 at 10:40:06PM +0000, Kinney, Michael D wrote:
> Hi Leif,
> 
> I can put the reply_goes_to_list option back to "Poster".
> 
> In that configuration, a user that has a DMARC policy of
> reject will still have their from address munged.
> 
> But I noticed that the edk2-devel mailing list is not
> present when anyone does a Reply-all to an email with
> a munged from address.  That implied to me that everyone
> would need to check if the edk2-devel mailing has been
> removed from a Reply-all and add it back manually.  This
> also seems like a non-ideal configuration option.
> 
> However, the behavior I am seeing could be due to some
> of my client settings.
> 
> So I will put the reply_goes_to_list option back to
> "Poster".
> 
> Mike
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Leif Lindholm [mailto:leif.lindholm@linaro.org]
> > Sent: Monday, October 29, 2018 2:10 PM
> > To: Kinney, Michael D <michael.d.kinney@intel.com>
> > Cc: EDK II Development <edk2-devel@lists.01.org>;
> > Cetola, Stephano <stephano.cetola@intel.com>
> > Subject: Re: [edk2] ** NOTICE ** edk2-devel mailing list
> > configuration changes
> > 
> > Hi Mike,
> > 
> > I could hypothesise about which email client you may be
> > using :)
> > 
> > But let me instead mention that the two email clients I
> > have (mutt and
> > gmail web interface) behave identically - neither adds
> > the original
> > sender to cc when the list server forces a reply-to
> > header.
> > 
> > Regards,
> > 
> > Leif
> > 
> > On Mon, Oct 29, 2018 at 08:49:09PM +0000, Kinney,
> > Michael D wrote:
> > > Leif,
> > >
> > > Very strange.  When I do the same on that email, it
> > > shows Paul on the To address line.
> > >
> > > Mike
> > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Leif Lindholm
> > [mailto:leif.lindholm@linaro.org]
> > > > Sent: Monday, October 29, 2018 1:40 PM
> > > > To: Kinney, Michael D <michael.d.kinney@intel.com>
> > > > Cc: EDK II Development <edk2-devel@lists.01.org>;
> > > > Cetola, Stephano <stephano.cetola@intel.com>
> > > > Subject: Re: [edk2] ** NOTICE ** edk2-devel mailing
> > list
> > > > configuration changes
> > > >
> > > > Hi Mike,
> > > >
> > > > When I try to "reply-to", the email from Paul A
> > Lohr,
> > > > sent 10 minutes
> > > > after your one below, he does not show up in either
> > "to"
> > > > or "cc".
> > > >
> > > > OK, I missed the excitement during the plugfest.
> > I'll go
> > > > back and see
> > > > what I can find there.
> > > >
> > > > Regards,
> > > >
> > > > Leif
> > > >
> > > > On Mon, Oct 29, 2018 at 08:23:43PM +0000, Kinney,
> > > > Michael D wrote:
> > > > > Leif,
> > > > >
> > > > > I have enabled a different configuration setting
> > > > > that should be better.
> > > > >
> > > > > Please try some emails and let me know if there
> > > > > are any impacts.
> > > > >
> > > > > The reason for these changes is the DMARC related
> > > > > issue that occurred on 10-19-2018 that required a
> > > > > number of users to be disabled.  The goal of these
> > > > > changes is to enable those users to be re-
> > activated.
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks,
> > > > >
> > > > > Mike
> > > > >
> > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > From: Leif Lindholm
> > > > [mailto:leif.lindholm@linaro.org]
> > > > > > Sent: Monday, October 29, 2018 12:54 PM
> > > > > > To: EDK II Development <edk2-devel@lists.01.org>
> > > > > > Cc: Kinney, Michael D
> > <michael.d.kinney@intel.com>;
> > > > > > Cetola, Stephano <stephano.cetola@intel.com>
> > > > > > Subject: Re: [edk2] ** NOTICE ** edk2-devel
> > mailing
> > > > list
> > > > > > configuration changes
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Hi Mike,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Mon, Oct 29, 2018 at 06:42:44PM +0000,
> > Kinney,
> > > > > > Michael D wrote:
> > > > > > > Some configuration changes have been made to
> > > > > > > the edk2-devel mailing list to handle posts
> > from
> > > > > > > a domain with a DMARC Reject/Quarantine policy
> > > > > > > enabled. If this is detected then the from
> > address
> > > > > > > is now munged.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > One side effect of this setting is that the
> > > > > > > behavior of Reply has changed.  Instead of
> > being
> > > > > > > a reply to the poster of the message, the
> > Reply
> > > > > > > address is the edk2-devel mailing list.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The behaviour looks somewhat broken, since as
> > far as
> > > > I
> > > > > > can tell,
> > > > > > replies now longer include the person you're
> > > > replying
> > > > > > to.
> > > > > > (This doesn't happen when replying specifically
> > to
> > > > > > _you_, because you
> > > > > > cc yourself on everything).
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > If you wish to send a private reply to only
> > the
> > > > > > > poster of the message, you may have to perform
> > > > > > > some manual steps.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Please let me know if you have any concerns
> > about
> > > > > > > these changes or if these configuration
> > changes
> > > > > > > cause any other side effects.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Can we make sure the person being replied to is
> > at
> > > > least
> > > > > > on cc?
> > > > > > Otherwise, we've just broken the workflow for
> > anyone
> > > > > > filtering on
> > > > > > whether they are on "to" or "cc".
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Why was this change necessary?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Regards,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Leif

Re: ** NOTICE ** edk2-devel mailing list configuration changes

[Brian J. Johnson]

I'm using Thunderbird 60.2.1 on Linux.  If I respond to Leif's message 
(the one quoted below) with the "reply" button, it's addressed only to 
him.  If I use "reply all", it goes to him, the list, and all other 
recipients of the original message.  (That's what I did on this 
response.)  If I use "reply to mailing list", it goes only to the list.

So exactly what I'd expect.  No issues here.

Brian

On 10/30/18 3:49 AM, Leif Lindholm wrote:
> Hi Mike,
> 
> That resolves the issue at my end, thanks!. But it would be good to
> know how it works for others (does Intel have a default mail client
> config, and could someone else verify the behaviour is how you would
> normally expect?).
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Leif
> 
> On Mon, Oct 29, 2018 at 10:40:06PM +0000, Kinney, Michael D wrote:
>> Hi Leif,
>>
>> I can put the reply_goes_to_list option back to "Poster".
>>
>> In that configuration, a user that has a DMARC policy of
>> reject will still have their from address munged.
>>
>> But I noticed that the edk2-devel mailing list is not
>> present when anyone does a Reply-all to an email with
>> a munged from address.  That implied to me that everyone
>> would need to check if the edk2-devel mailing has been
>> removed from a Reply-all and add it back manually.  This
>> also seems like a non-ideal configuration option.
>>
>> However, the behavior I am seeing could be due to some
>> of my client settings.
>>
>> So I will put the reply_goes_to_list option back to
>> "Poster".
>>
>> Mike
>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Leif Lindholm [mailto:leif.lindholm@linaro.org]
>>> Sent: Monday, October 29, 2018 2:10 PM
>>> To: Kinney, Michael D <michael.d.kinney@intel.com>
>>> Cc: EDK II Development <edk2-devel@lists.01.org>;
>>> Cetola, Stephano <stephano.cetola@intel.com>
>>> Subject: Re: [edk2] ** NOTICE ** edk2-devel mailing list
>>> configuration changes
>>>
>>> Hi Mike,
>>>
>>> I could hypothesise about which email client you may be
>>> using :)
>>>
>>> But let me instead mention that the two email clients I
>>> have (mutt and
>>> gmail web interface) behave identically - neither adds
>>> the original
>>> sender to cc when the list server forces a reply-to
>>> header.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> Leif
>>>
>>> On Mon, Oct 29, 2018 at 08:49:09PM +0000, Kinney,
>>> Michael D wrote:
>>>> Leif,
>>>>
>>>> Very strange.  When I do the same on that email, it
>>>> shows Paul on the To address line.
>>>>
>>>> Mike
>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Leif Lindholm
>>> [mailto:leif.lindholm@linaro.org]
>>>>> Sent: Monday, October 29, 2018 1:40 PM
>>>>> To: Kinney, Michael D <michael.d.kinney@intel.com>
>>>>> Cc: EDK II Development <edk2-devel@lists.01.org>;
>>>>> Cetola, Stephano <stephano.cetola@intel.com>
>>>>> Subject: Re: [edk2] ** NOTICE ** edk2-devel mailing
>>> list
>>>>> configuration changes
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi Mike,
>>>>>
>>>>> When I try to "reply-to", the email from Paul A
>>> Lohr,
>>>>> sent 10 minutes
>>>>> after your one below, he does not show up in either
>>> "to"
>>>>> or "cc".
>>>>>
>>>>> OK, I missed the excitement during the plugfest.
>>> I'll go
>>>>> back and see
>>>>> what I can find there.
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>
>>>>> Leif
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, Oct 29, 2018 at 08:23:43PM +0000, Kinney,
>>>>> Michael D wrote:
>>>>>> Leif,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I have enabled a different configuration setting
>>>>>> that should be better.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Please try some emails and let me know if there
>>>>>> are any impacts.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The reason for these changes is the DMARC related
>>>>>> issue that occurred on 10-19-2018 that required a
>>>>>> number of users to be disabled.  The goal of these
>>>>>> changes is to enable those users to be re-
>>> activated.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Mike
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>> From: Leif Lindholm
>>>>> [mailto:leif.lindholm@linaro.org]
>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, October 29, 2018 12:54 PM
>>>>>>> To: EDK II Development <edk2-devel@lists.01.org>
>>>>>>> Cc: Kinney, Michael D
>>> <michael.d.kinney@intel.com>;
>>>>>>> Cetola, Stephano <stephano.cetola@intel.com>
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [edk2] ** NOTICE ** edk2-devel
>>> mailing
>>>>> list
>>>>>>> configuration changes
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi Mike,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 29, 2018 at 06:42:44PM +0000,
>>> Kinney,
>>>>>>> Michael D wrote:
>>>>>>>> Some configuration changes have been made to
>>>>>>>> the edk2-devel mailing list to handle posts
>>> from
>>>>>>>> a domain with a DMARC Reject/Quarantine policy
>>>>>>>> enabled. If this is detected then the from
>>> address
>>>>>>>> is now munged.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> One side effect of this setting is that the
>>>>>>>> behavior of Reply has changed.  Instead of
>>> being
>>>>>>>> a reply to the poster of the message, the
>>> Reply
>>>>>>>> address is the edk2-devel mailing list.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The behaviour looks somewhat broken, since as
>>> far as
>>>>> I
>>>>>>> can tell,
>>>>>>> replies now longer include the person you're
>>>>> replying
>>>>>>> to.
>>>>>>> (This doesn't happen when replying specifically
>>> to
>>>>>>> _you_, because you
>>>>>>> cc yourself on everything).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> If you wish to send a private reply to only
>>> the
>>>>>>>> poster of the message, you may have to perform
>>>>>>>> some manual steps.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Please let me know if you have any concerns
>>> about
>>>>>>>> these changes or if these configuration
>>> changes
>>>>>>>> cause any other side effects.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Can we make sure the person being replied to is
>>> at
>>>>> least
>>>>>>> on cc?
>>>>>>> Otherwise, we've just broken the workflow for
>>> anyone
>>>>>>> filtering on
>>>>>>> whether they are on "to" or "cc".
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Why was this change necessary?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Leif
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