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From: Leif Lindholm <leif.lindholm@linaro.org>
To: "Zeng, Star" <star.zeng@intel.com>
Cc: Ard Biesheuvel <ard.biesheuvel@linaro.org>,
	"Cohen, Eugene" <eugene@hp.com>,
	edk2-devel-01 <edk2-devel@lists.01.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH V3 4/4] MdeModulePkg EhciDxe: Use common buffer for AsyncInterruptTransfer
Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2018 12:08:16 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20181031120816.jmzeo67l2ij7da23@bivouac.eciton.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <962a2a90-2783-5fd1-25d2-6a834daa3f26@intel.com>

On Wed, Oct 31, 2018 at 12:38:43PM +0800, Zeng, Star wrote:
> Good feedback.
> 
> On 2018/10/30 20:50, Leif Lindholm wrote:
> > On Tue, Oct 30, 2018 at 09:39:24AM -0300, Ard Biesheuvel wrote:
> > > (add back the list)
> > 
> > Oi! Go back on holiday!
> > 
> > > On 30 October 2018 at 09:07, Cohen, Eugene <eugene@hp.com> wrote:
> > > > Has this patch been tested on a system that does not have coherent DMA?
> > > > 
> > > > It's not clear that this change would actually be faster on a system of that
> > > > type since using common buffers imply access to uncached memory.  Depending
> > > > on the access patterns the uncached memory access could be more time
> > > > consuming than cache maintenance operations.
> 
> The change/idea was based on the statement below.
>   ///
>   /// Provides both read and write access to system memory by both the
> processor and a
>   /// bus master. The buffer is coherent from both the processor's and the
> bus master's point of view.
>   ///
>   EfiPciIoOperationBusMasterCommonBuffer,
> 
> Thanks for raising case about uncached memory access. But after checking the
> code, for Intel VTd case https://github.com/tianocore/edk2/blob/master/IntelSiliconPkg/Feature/VTd/IntelVTdDxe/BmDma.c#L460
> (or no IOMMU case https://github.com/tianocore/edk2/blob/master/MdeModulePkg/Bus/Pci/PciHostBridgeDxe/PciRootBridgeIo.c#L1567),
> the common buffer is just normal memory buffer.
> If someone can help do some test/collect some data on a system using common
> buffers imply access to uncached memory, that will be great.
> 
> > > 
> > > I haven't had time to look at these patches yet.
> > > 
> > > I agree with Eugene's concern: the directional DMA routines are much
> > > more performant on implementations with non-coherent DMA, and so
> > > common buffers should be avoided unless we are dealing with data
> > > structures that are truly shared between the CPU and the device.
> > > 
> > > Since this is obviously not the case here, could we please have some
> > > numbers about the performance improvement we are talking about here?
> > > Would it be possible to improve the IOMMU handling code instead?
> 
> We collected the data below on a platform with release image and Intel VTd
> enabled.
> 
> The image size of EhciDxe or XhciDxe can reduce about 120+ bytes.
> 
> EHCI without the patch:
> ==[ Cumulative ]========
> (Times in microsec.)     Cumulative   Average     Shortest    Longest
>    Name         Count     Duration    Duration    Duration    Duration
> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> S0000B00D1DF0        446        2150           4           2         963
> 
> EHCI with the patch:
> ==[ Cumulative ]========
> (Times in microsec.)     Cumulative   Average     Shortest    Longest
>    Name         Count     Duration    Duration    Duration    Duration
> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> S0000B00D1DF0        270         742           2           2          41
> 
> XHCI without the patch:
> ==[ Cumulative ]========
> (Times in microsec.)     Cumulative   Average     Shortest    Longest
>    Name         Count     Duration    Duration    Duration    Duration
> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> S0000B00D14F0        215         603           2           2          52
> 
> XHCI with the patch:
> ==[ Cumulative ]========
> (Times in microsec.)     Cumulative   Average     Shortest    Longest
>    Name         Count     Duration    Duration    Duration    Duration
> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> S0000B00D14F0         95         294           3           2          52
> 
> I believe the performance data really depends on
> 1. How many AsyncInterruptTransfer handlers (the number of USB keyboard
> and/or USB bluetooth keyboard?)
> 2. Data size (for flushing data from PCI controller specific address to
> mapped system memory address *in original code*)
> 3. The performance of IoMmu->SetAttribute (for example, the SetAttribute
> operation on Intel VTd engine caused by the unmap and map for flushing data
> *in original code*, the SetAttribute operation on IntelVTd engine will
> involve FlushPageTableMemory, InvalidatePageEntry and etc)
> 
> > On an unrelated note to the concerns above:
> > Why has a fundamental change to the behaviour of one of the industry
> > standard drivers been pushed at the very end of the stable cycle?
> 
> We thought it was a simple improvement but not fundamental change before
> Eugene and Ard raised the concern.

Understood.

However, as it is changing the memory management behaviour of a core
driver, I think it automatically qualifies as something that should
only go in the week after a stable tag.

We will need to have a closer look at the non-coherent case when Ard
gets back (Monday).

If this version causes issues with non-coherent systems, we will need
to revert it before the stable tag. We would then need to look into
the best way to deal with the performance issues quoted above.

Best Regards,

Leif


  reply	other threads:[~2018-10-31 12:08 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 18+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2018-10-26 13:41 [PATCH V3 0/4] Remove unnecessary Map/Unmap in XhciDxe/EhciDxe for AsyncInterruptTransfer Star Zeng
2018-10-26 13:41 ` [PATCH V3 1/4] MdeModulePkg XhciDxe: Extract new XhciInsertAsyncIntTransfer function Star Zeng
2018-10-26 13:41 ` [PATCH V3 2/4] MdeModulePkg EhciDxe: Extract new EhciInsertAsyncIntTransfer function Star Zeng
2018-10-26 13:41 ` [PATCH V3 3/4] MdeModulePkg XhciDxe: Use common buffer for AsyncInterruptTransfer Star Zeng
2018-10-27  7:47   ` Wu, Hao A
2018-10-26 13:41 ` [PATCH V3 4/4] MdeModulePkg EhciDxe: " Star Zeng
     [not found]   ` <CS1PR8401MB1189428C2915107C583C0A42B4CC0@CS1PR8401MB1189.NAMPRD84.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
2018-10-30 12:39     ` Ard Biesheuvel
2018-10-30 12:50       ` Leif Lindholm
2018-10-31  4:38         ` Zeng, Star
2018-10-31 12:08           ` Leif Lindholm [this message]
2018-11-01  1:12             ` Zeng, Star
2018-11-01 10:32               ` Leif Lindholm
2018-11-06  9:49           ` Ard Biesheuvel
2018-11-06 14:37             ` Zeng, Star
2018-11-07 15:00               ` Zeng, Star
2018-11-07 15:14                 ` Ard Biesheuvel
2018-10-28 13:35 ` [PATCH V3 0/4] Remove unnecessary Map/Unmap in XhciDxe/EhciDxe " Zeng, Star
2018-10-29  2:19 ` Ni, Ruiyu

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