From: Gerd Hoffmann <kraxel@redhat.com>
To: David Woodhouse <dwmw2@infradead.org>
Cc: "Ni, Ray" <ray.ni@intel.com>, Laszlo Ersek <lersek@redhat.com>,
"Richardson, Brian" <brian.richardson@intel.com>,
"Justen, Jordan L" <jordan.l.justen@intel.com>,
"edk2-devel@lists.01.org" <edk2-devel@lists.01.org>,
Kevin O'Connor <kevin@koconnor.net>,
Anthony Perard <anthony.perard@citrix.com>
Subject: Re: Drop CSM support in OvmfPkg?
Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2019 07:12:20 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20190123061220.f4dr2bpmp6udfyeu@sirius.home.kraxel.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <e1ecedc8dea690aa9e29fc4409702a6d82bbd568.camel@infradead.org>
On Tue, Jan 22, 2019 at 04:23:06PM +0000, David Woodhouse wrote:
> On Tue, 2019-01-22 at 16:13 +0000, Ni, Ray wrote:
> > David,
> > I'd like to re-start the discussion.
> > Could you please kindly explain the background/reason of adding CSM
> > support in OVMF?
> > Maybe knowing the reason can help to make further decisions of
> > whether to
> > A. keep it outside OvmfPkg
> > B. keep it inside OvmfPkg
> > C. maybe have a chance to just remove the CSM support after
> > revisiting
>
> The idea was to make it simple to have a single firmware image for
> virtual machines which would support both UEFI and Legacy boot for
> guests simultaneously.
The idea never really took off though.
> In libvirt there has been an alternative approach, where the BIOS image
> is switched between OVMF and SeaBIOS according to the configuration of
> the guest VM.
It's not mandated by libvirt, you can easily create a VM configuration
which uses a OVMF build with CSM support.
But, yes, it is rarely seen in practice.
Microsoft is doing the same btw: hyper-v has gen1 (bios) and gen2
(uefi) guest types.
> That's fine for libvirt, but in situations where VM hosting is provided
> as a service, it becomes quite painful to manage the 'UEFI' vs.
> 'Legacy' flags on guest images and then switch firmware images
> accordingly.
Seems people try to address this by building cloud images which support
both BIOS and UEFI.
> A one-size-fits-all BIOS using OVMF+CSM is very much
> preferable.
Building a one-size-fits-all BIOS is pretty much impossible due to CSM
being incompatible with secure boot.
cheers,
Gerd
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2019-01-23 6:12 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 21+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2018-12-17 2:23 Drop CSM support in OvmfPkg? Ni, Ruiyu
2018-12-17 9:54 ` Laszlo Ersek
2018-12-17 10:44 ` Ni, Ruiyu
2018-12-20 6:44 ` Gerd Hoffmann
2018-12-20 13:37 ` David Woodhouse
2018-12-20 14:55 ` Ni, Ruiyu
2019-01-22 16:13 ` Ni, Ray
2019-01-22 16:23 ` David Woodhouse
2019-01-23 3:43 ` Ni, Ray
2019-01-23 4:00 ` Andrew Fish
2019-01-23 4:29 ` Ni, Ray
2019-01-23 9:46 ` Laszlo Ersek
2019-01-23 9:49 ` David Woodhouse
2019-01-24 1:48 ` Ni, Ray
2019-01-24 9:31 ` David Woodhouse
2019-01-24 11:30 ` Laszlo Ersek
2019-01-25 20:28 ` Brian J. Johnson
2019-01-28 8:23 ` Laszlo Ersek
2019-01-23 12:26 ` Ard Biesheuvel
2019-01-23 6:12 ` Gerd Hoffmann [this message]
2019-01-23 8:42 ` David Woodhouse
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