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From: Andrew Jones <drjones@redhat.com>
To: Ard Biesheuvel <ard.biesheuvel@arm.com>
Cc: "Philippe Mathieu-Daudé" <philmd@redhat.com>,
	devel@edk2.groups.io, lersek@redhat.com,
	"Eric Auger" <eric.auger@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [edk2-devel] [PATCH] ArmVirtPkg/NorFlashQemuLib: disable NOR flash DT nodes upon discovery
Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2020 16:37:09 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20200624143709.odjhl5xc7ehxe2xl@kamzik.brq.redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <c6589479-2aaf-a939-5019-29f70a156f06@arm.com>

On Wed, Jun 24, 2020 at 03:48:46PM +0200, Ard Biesheuvel wrote:
> On 6/24/20 3:41 PM, Andrew Jones wrote:
> > On Wed, Jun 24, 2020 at 03:02:49PM +0200, Philippe Mathieu-Daudé wrote:
> > > On 6/24/20 1:43 PM, Ard Biesheuvel wrote:
> ...
> > > > I wasn't aware that we even expose the flash in the DSDT. In any case,
> > > > no driver exists in Linux today that claims the LNRO0015 _HID, and so I
> > > > agree we should simply remove it entirely.
> > > > 
> > > > However, I am no longer able to contribute to QEMU, so I was hoping you
> > > > or Phil could take the action?
> > > 
> > > I try to stay as far as possible from ACPI, but here it seems
> > > fair I assign myself to this (except if Drew/Eric prefer to
> > > do it, of course!).
> > 
> > I don't mind doing it. IIUC, all we need to do is remove the flash device
> > from the DSDT to "hide" it from the guest. Of course we'll need some
> > compat code too in order to only do this for machine types 5.1 and later,
> > and that means that running guest kernels which want to bind the flash on
> > 5.0 and older machine types will still have the problem.
> > 
> 
> Do you think that is really necessary? LNRO0015 never had a driver in Linux
> to begin with, and I doubt other ACPI capable arm64 OSes would be any
> different.

I'd rather not add/remove hardware in older machine types. While it's
unlikely anybody would notice, we can't be sure that there's nothing
out there which would break.

> 
> > Also, it seems a bit odd to hide hardware from the guest OS. Wouldn't it
> > be better to somehow flag that the hardare may be in use by firmware,
> > and therefore is only safe to use if runtime services are not used? I'm
> > not sure ACPI supports that for table entries like these, but maybe some
> > _STA value indicates something like it. I'll take a look at the spec.
> > 
> 
> We could do either, but a _STA indicating that the device is not present or
> not ready amounts to the same afaik. Ultimately, the OS could still access
> the physical range if it wanted to (e.g., via /dev/mem), so not exposing it
> in the first place seems more robust to me.
> 

If there's no _STA state that says the device is here and works, but it's
not available, then I agree removing it is the same. And, thinking about
it some more, this flash device is really only for our host-controlled
firmware. Since we don't give the guest any control over the firmware,
then the device the firmware lives on should probably not even exist as
far as the guest is concerned.

Thanks,
drew


  reply	other threads:[~2020-06-24 14:37 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 14+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2020-06-23 17:57 [PATCH] ArmVirtPkg/NorFlashQemuLib: disable NOR flash DT nodes upon discovery Ard Biesheuvel
2020-06-23 20:41 ` Laszlo Ersek
2020-06-24  7:19   ` Ard Biesheuvel
2020-06-24  9:00     ` Laszlo Ersek
2020-06-24  9:35       ` Philippe Mathieu-Daudé
2020-06-24 11:20     ` [edk2-devel] " Laszlo Ersek
2020-06-24 11:43       ` Ard Biesheuvel
2020-06-24 13:02         ` Philippe Mathieu-Daudé
2020-06-24 13:41           ` Andrew Jones
2020-06-24 13:45             ` Philippe Mathieu-Daudé
2020-06-24 13:48             ` Ard Biesheuvel
2020-06-24 14:37               ` Andrew Jones [this message]
2020-06-24 18:43                 ` Laszlo Ersek
2020-06-24 18:46                   ` Laszlo Ersek

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