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From: "Gerd Hoffmann" <kraxel@redhat.com>
To: Brijesh Singh <brijesh.singh@amd.com>
Cc: devel@edk2.groups.io, James Bottomley <jejb@linux.ibm.com>,
	Min Xu <min.m.xu@intel.com>, Jiewen Yao <jiewen.yao@intel.com>,
	Tom Lendacky <thomas.lendacky@amd.com>,
	Jordan Justen <jordan.l.justen@intel.com>,
	Ard Biesheuvel <ardb+tianocore@kernel.org>,
	Erdem Aktas <erdemaktas@google.com>,
	Michael Roth <Michael.Roth@amd.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v6 15/29] OvmfPkg/MemEncryptSevLib: add support to validate system RAM
Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2021 11:50:01 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20210902095001.butpnnnyvmi3tbnc@sirius.home.kraxel.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20210901161646.24763-16-brijesh.singh@amd.com>

  Hi,

> During the guest creation, the boot ROM memory is pre-validated by the
> AMD-SEV firmware. The MemEncryptSevSnpValidateSystemRam() can be called
> during the SEC and PEI phase to validate the detected system RAM.

[ for this and the following few patches ]

So, sev-snp and tdx have the same fundamental requirement here.  Both
must track what the state of page ranges is.  Both must talk to the vmm
before they can actually use pages.  snp calls this "validate", tdx
"accept", but the underlying concept should be roughly comparable.

The vmm part obviously needs to be different.  I can't see any good
reason why the state tracking and the state hand over from one boot
stage to the next (vmm -> sec -> pei -> dxe -> os) should be different
though.  Having a common workflow makes long-term maintenance and
testing easier.

    So, can you all look at each others patches and find common ground
    here?  It worked out well for the WorkArea, so *please* continue
    that way.

This series seems to side-step most of this by validating all memory in
the pei stage, so there is nothing to hand over to dxe and os.  Only the
range where the compressed code gets uncompressed to must be passed from
sec to pei.  And there is the memory range registered for pre-validation
by the vmm.

Intels (long-term?) plan seems to be to do lazily validate/accept
memory, triggered by memory allocations, to reduce boot time.  Which
implies the dxe memory management core needs to be aware of page state
and invoke an vmm-specific protocol to handle validation/acceptance.
Concept posted to the list earlier this week.  Slides only so far, no
patches yet.

take care,
  Gerd


  reply	other threads:[~2021-09-02  9:50 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 59+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-09-01 16:16 [PATCH v6 00/29] Add AMD Secure Nested Paging (SEV-SNP) support Brijesh Singh
2021-09-01 16:16 ` [PATCH v6 01/29] OvmfPkg: reserve SNP secrets page Brijesh Singh
2021-09-01 16:16 ` [PATCH v6 02/29] OvmfPkg: reserve CPUID page for SEV-SNP Brijesh Singh
2021-09-02  8:04   ` Gerd Hoffmann
2021-09-02 12:28     ` Brijesh Singh
2021-09-02 21:17       ` Brijesh Singh
2021-09-03  6:28         ` Gerd Hoffmann
2021-09-03 11:56           ` [edk2-devel] " Brijesh Singh
2021-09-01 16:16 ` [PATCH v6 03/29] OvmfPkg/ResetVector: introduce SEV-SNP boot block GUID Brijesh Singh
2021-09-01 16:16 ` [PATCH v6 04/29] OvmfPkg/ResetVector: invalidate the GHCB page Brijesh Singh
2021-09-01 16:16 ` [PATCH v6 05/29] OvmfPkg/ResetVector: check the vmpl level Brijesh Singh
2021-09-01 16:16 ` [PATCH v6 06/29] OvmfPkg/ResetVector: pre-validate the data pages used in SEC phase Brijesh Singh
2021-09-02  8:20   ` Gerd Hoffmann
2021-09-06  1:10     ` [edk2-devel] " Min Xu
2021-09-06 12:16       ` Gerd Hoffmann
2021-09-06 13:19         ` Min Xu
2021-09-07  7:07           ` Gerd Hoffmann
2021-09-07 13:27             ` Brijesh Singh
2021-09-08  6:36               ` Min Xu
2021-09-14  3:49             ` Yao, Jiewen
2021-09-16  7:42               ` Gerd Hoffmann
2021-09-01 16:16 ` [PATCH v6 07/29] OvmfPkg/ResetVector: use SEV-SNP-validated CPUID values Brijesh Singh
2021-09-01 16:16 ` [PATCH v6 08/29] UefiCpuPkg: Define the SEV-SNP specific dynamic PCDs Brijesh Singh
2021-09-01 16:16 ` [PATCH v6 09/29] OvmfPkg/MemEncryptSevLib: add MemEncryptSevSnpEnabled() Brijesh Singh
2021-09-01 16:16 ` [PATCH v6 10/29] OvmfPkg/SecMain: move SEV specific routines in AmdSev.c Brijesh Singh
2021-09-01 16:16 ` [PATCH v6 11/29] OvmfPkg/SecMain: register GHCB gpa for the SEV-SNP guest Brijesh Singh
2021-09-01 16:16 ` [PATCH v6 12/29] OvmfPkg/VmgExitLib: use SEV-SNP-validated CPUID values Brijesh Singh
2021-09-01 16:16 ` [PATCH v6 13/29] OvmfPkg/PlatformPei: register GHCB gpa for the SEV-SNP guest Brijesh Singh
2021-09-01 16:16 ` [PATCH v6 14/29] OvmfPkg/AmdSevDxe: do not use extended PCI config space Brijesh Singh
2021-09-01 16:16 ` [PATCH v6 15/29] OvmfPkg/MemEncryptSevLib: add support to validate system RAM Brijesh Singh
2021-09-02  9:50   ` Gerd Hoffmann [this message]
2021-09-02 13:34     ` Brijesh Singh
2021-09-03  7:04       ` Gerd Hoffmann
2021-09-01 16:16 ` [PATCH v6 16/29] OvmfPkg/BaseMemEncryptSevLib: skip the pre-validated " Brijesh Singh
2021-09-01 16:16 ` [PATCH v6 17/29] OvmfPkg/MemEncryptSevLib: add support to validate > 4GB memory in PEI phase Brijesh Singh
2021-09-01 16:16 ` [PATCH v6 18/29] OvmfPkg/SecMain: pre-validate the memory used for decompressing Fv Brijesh Singh
2021-09-01 16:16 ` [PATCH v6 19/29] OvmfPkg/PlatformPei: validate the system RAM when SNP is active Brijesh Singh
2021-09-01 16:16 ` [PATCH v6 20/29] OvmfPkg/PlatformPei: set the SEV-SNP enabled PCD Brijesh Singh
2021-09-01 16:16 ` [PATCH v6 21/29] OvmfPkg/PlatformPei: set the Hypervisor Features PCD Brijesh Singh
2021-09-01 16:16 ` [PATCH v6 22/29] MdePkg/GHCB: increase the GHCB protocol max version Brijesh Singh
2021-09-01 16:16 ` [PATCH v6 23/29] UefiCpuPkg/MpLib: add support to register GHCB GPA when SEV-SNP is enabled Brijesh Singh
2021-09-01 16:16 ` [PATCH v6 24/29] UefiCpuPkg/MpInitLib: use BSP to do extended topology check Brijesh Singh
2021-09-01 16:16 ` [PATCH v6 25/29] OvmfPkg/MemEncryptSevLib: change the page state in the RMP table Brijesh Singh
2021-09-01 16:16 ` [PATCH v6 26/29] OvmfPkg/MemEncryptSevLib: skip page state change for Mmio address Brijesh Singh
2021-09-01 16:16 ` [PATCH v6 27/29] OvmfPkg/PlatformPei: mark cpuid and secrets memory reserved in EFI map Brijesh Singh
2021-09-01 16:16 ` [PATCH v6 28/29] OvmfPkg/AmdSev: expose the SNP reserved pages through configuration table Brijesh Singh
2021-09-01 16:16 ` [PATCH v6 29/29] UefiCpuPkg/MpInitLib: Use SEV-SNP AP Creation NAE event to launch APs Brijesh Singh
2021-09-07  2:36 ` [PATCH v6 00/29] Add AMD Secure Nested Paging (SEV-SNP) support Yao, Jiewen
2021-09-08  2:29   ` Min Xu
2021-09-08  6:03     ` Yao, Jiewen
2021-09-08 19:45   ` Brijesh Singh
2021-09-09  0:31     ` Min Xu
2021-09-09 10:51       ` Brijesh Singh
2021-09-09 11:22         ` Gerd Hoffmann
2021-09-09 11:40           ` Brijesh Singh
2021-09-09 11:45             ` [edk2-devel] " Min Xu
2021-09-09 11:55         ` Yao, Jiewen
2021-09-12 22:55   ` Brijesh Singh
2021-09-13  0:33     ` Yao, Jiewen

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