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From: "Jeff Fan" <fanjianfeng@byosoft.com.cn>
To: "devel@edk2.groups.io" <devel@edk2.groups.io>,
	mhaeuser <mhaeuser@posteo.de>, "Ni, Ray" <ray.ni@intel.com>,
	'gaoliming' <gaoliming@byosoft.com.cn>,
	"Chan, Amy" <amy.chan@intel.com>,
	"'Andrew Fish'" <afish@apple.com>
Cc: "Kinney, Michael D" <michael.d.kinney@intel.com>,
	"'Gao, Liming'" <liming.gao@intel.com>,
	"Liu, Zhiguang" <zhiguang.liu@intel.com>,
	"Wang, Jian J" <jian.j.wang@intel.com>,
	"Gao, Zhichao" <zhichao.gao@intel.com>
Subject: Re: [edk2-devel] RFC: Add BaseLib/QuickSort in MdePkg
Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2021 16:50:19 +0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <2021092716501903570820@byosoft.com.cn> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 7c260e5d-363e-8579-5a38-3cc5e2336bdb@posteo.de

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For former caller, they could still keep as is to call the old API in MdeModulePkg. I think Ray's design is compatible change for existing code.
Only when the existing code wants to remove the dependency on MdeModuelPkg, they could migrate to the new API in baselib.

I agree with one split-API desgin what you mentioned. 
But my point is to define one API in baselib and to make the baselib not depend on memory allocation.  And another wrapper API could be designed to be placed in any other class.



Jeff
fanjianfeng@byosoft.com.cn
 
From: Marvin Häuser
Date: 2021-09-27 16:14
To: fanjianfeng@byosoft.com.cn; devel@edk2.groups.io; Ni, Ray; 'gaoliming'; Chan, Amy; 'Andrew Fish'
CC: Kinney, Michael D; 'Gao, Liming'; Liu, Zhiguang; Wang, Jian J; Gao, Zhichao
Subject: Re: [edk2-devel] RFC: Add BaseLib/QuickSort in MdePkg
On 27/09/2021 02:45, fanjianfeng@byosoft.com.cn wrote:
> Making baselib implementation depend on MemoryAllocationLib 
> (indirectly on Pei Service and gBS), it may prevent 
> this base API using at some seneraio. i don't think it's better.
 
That is why I asked about a split-API scenario, one of which does not 
depend on dynamic memory allocation (SetVariable-like) and one does 
(wrapper-like).
 
> Add this parameter and make this parameter is optional,
> 1, when NULL, use the local 256 bytes stack
> 2, if 256 bytes stack is not enough, return RETURE_BUFFER_TOO_SAMLL,
> 3, caller check the return status, to do nothing or to allocate enough 
> buffer for retry
>
> This is just like SetVariable()'s implementation.
 
Yes, and because that is SetVariable's implementation, we have library 
functions to make it less error-prone and more convenient [1]. As a 
matter of fact, we have a (semi-lax) policy in our codebases to avoid 
such functions like the plague and use those library wrappers where-ever 
it can make sense. The only super-rare exceptions I can think of are 
when we know the size of the element ahead of time. Also SetVariable has 
no arbitrary constraint on when it may work the first time, and there is 
code that will fail when the first return is not EFI_BUFFER_TOO_SMALL.
 
This solution honestly yields even more problems, because it introduces 
a Status return which was not there before. For common code safety and 
quality policy, this requires the value *must* be retrieved and checked 
in some fashion. So all callers, no matter the prior knowledge of the 
element size, now need either a runtime check and handling for a status 
that they (may) know can never be returned, or ASSERTs if the function 
spec really imposes the arbitrary 256 Bytes constraint. Latter doesn't 
really work I think. What if someone wants to sort in SEC and noticed 
they only have 64 Bytes on the stack to work with, realistically? Any 
code depending on the 256 Byte constraint, passing NULL and not doing 
additional handling, would seize to work. Former is too complicated, see 
wrappers. In my opinion, the memory must *either* be fully managed by 
the caller *or* the callee (and you may have both in separate functions, 
as I suggested), but not sometimes here, sometimes there.
 
Best regards,
Marvin
 
 
[1] 
https://github.com/tianocore/edk2/blob/46b4606ba23498d3d0e66b53e498eb3d5d592586/MdePkg/Library/UefiLib/UefiLib.c#L1309-L1360
 
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Jeff
> fanjianfeng@byosoft.com.cn
>
>     *From:* Marvin Häuser <mailto:mhaeuser@posteo.de>
>     *Date:* 2021-09-26 19:20
>     *To:* devel <mailto:devel@edk2.groups.io>; ray.ni
>     <mailto:ray.ni@intel.com>; gaoliming
>     <mailto:gaoliming@byosoft.com.cn>; Chan, Amy
>     <mailto:amy.chan@intel.com>; 'Andrew Fish' <mailto:afish@apple.com>
>     *CC:* Kinney, Michael D <mailto:michael.d.kinney@intel.com>; 'Gao,
>     Liming' <mailto:liming.gao@intel.com>; Liu, Zhiguang
>     <mailto:zhiguang.liu@intel.com>; Wang, Jian J
>     <mailto:jian.j.wang@intel.com>; Gao, Zhichao
>     <mailto:zhichao.gao@intel.com>
>     *Subject:* Re: [edk2-devel] RFC: Add BaseLib/QuickSort in MdePkg
>     Hey Ray,
>     In my opinion that spec is too complicated. For some cases it is
>     obvious, but I think the last anyone wants to see is a
>     (STATIC_)ASSERT
>     before most QuickSort calls to ensure the element size *really* is <=
>     256 Bytes. In my opinion, there are two roads:
>     1) Make the parameter required (I think this is what Liming
>     suggested).
>     The caller would always need to provide said buffer, and it can do
>     as it
>     sees fit - on the stack, in a pool, in a page, who knows.
>     2) Remove the parameter entirely. The library would depend on
>     MemoryAllocationLib again, but also would have an optimisation by
>     choosing stack vs pool based on ElementSize.
>     Usually I would prefer 2), as it is less prone to caller errors, but
>     considering the low-level nature of edk2, I can totally see the
>     point to
>     allow the caller to control whether there are dynamic memory
>     allocations
>     made or not as possible with 1). 2) could technically also be a
>     wrapper
>     for 1) if you want granular control and convenience/safety (why not
>     actually?).
>     Both approaches have the advantage that it is crystal-clear what the
>     caller's job is - to always or to never allocate the buffer.
>     Best regards,
>     Marvin
>     On 26/09/2021 04:24, Ni, Ray wrote:
>     >
>     > Liming,
>     >
>     > The purpose of the optional BufferOneElement is to ease consumer’s
>     > life assuming most of the time the element size should be
>     smaller than
>     > 256.
>     >
>     > Are you saying that it’s a bit hard to calculate the actual
>     value of
>     > sizeof (Element) when writing code?
>     >
>     > I recommend consumer always allocates memory if it’s hard to judge
>     > sizeof (Element) < 256.
>     >
>     > Searching edk2 code, I can find below code using PerformQuickSort():
>     >
>     >  1. ShellPkg/UefiShellCommandLib: It’s sorting array of
>     >     (EFI_DEVICE_PATH_PROTOCOL *).
>     >  2. UefiCpuPkg/CpuCacheInfoLib: It’s sorting array of
>      CPU_CACHE_INFO.
>     >  3. MinPlatformPkg/AcpiTables: It’s sorting array of
>     EFI_CPU_ID_ORDER_MAP.
>     >  4. MdeModulePkg/UefiBootManagerLib: It’s sorting array of
>     >     EFI_BOOT_MANAGER_LOAD_OPTION.
>     >  5. MdeModulePkg/CapsuleApp: It’s sorting array of (EFI_FILE_INFO *)
>     >  6. CryptoPkg/CrtWrapper: It’s sorting array of (unknown type).
>     >  7. RedfishPkg/RedfishCrtLib: It’s sorting array of (unknown type).
>     >
>     > For 1~5, it’s easy to know that the size of the element is smaller
>     > than 256. The AllocatePool() can be skipped.
>     >
>     > Thanks,
>     >
>     > Ray
>     >
>     > *From:*gaoliming <gaoliming@byosoft.com.cn>
>     > *Sent:* Sunday, September 26, 2021 10:01 AM
>     > *To:* Ni, Ray <ray.ni@intel.com>; devel@edk2.groups.io; Chan, Amy
>     > <amy.chan@intel.com>; 'Andrew Fish' <afish@apple.com>
>     > *Cc:* Kinney, Michael D <michael.d.kinney@intel.com>; 'Gao, Liming'
>     > <liming.gao@intel.com>; Liu, Zhiguang <zhiguang.liu@intel.com>;
>     Wang,
>     > Jian J <jian.j.wang@intel.com>; Gao, Zhichao <zhichao.gao@intel.com>
>     > *Subject:* 回复: [edk2-devel] RFC: Add BaseLib/QuickSort in MdePkg
>     >
>     > Ray:
>     >
>     > I may suggest to always require BufferOneElement. The consumer code
>     > may not know ElementSize. To avoid the error, the consumer must
>     > allocate buffer for BufferOneElement. If so, BufferOneElement is
>     the
>     > required parameter.
>     >
>     > Thanks
>     >
>     > Liming
>     >
>     > *发件人**:*Ni, Ray <ray.ni@intel.com <mailto:ray.ni@intel.com>>
>     > *发送时间:* 2021年9月24日 11:53
>     > *收件人:* devel@edk2.groups.io <mailto:devel@edk2.groups.io>; Ni,
>     Ray
>     > <ray.ni@intel.com <mailto:ray.ni@intel.com>>; Chan, Amy
>     > <amy.chan@intel.com <mailto:amy.chan@intel.com>>; gaoliming
>     > <gaoliming@byosoft.com.cn <mailto:gaoliming@byosoft.com.cn>>;
>     'Andrew
>     > Fish' <afish@apple.com <mailto:afish@apple.com>>
>     > *抄送:* Kinney, Michael D <michael.d.kinney@intel.com
>     > <mailto:michael.d.kinney@intel.com>>; 'Gao, Liming'
>     > <liming.gao@intel.com <mailto:liming.gao@intel.com>>; Liu, Zhiguang
>     > <zhiguang.liu@intel.com <mailto:zhiguang.liu@intel.com>>; Wang,
>     Jian J
>     > <jian.j.wang@intel.com <mailto:jian.j.wang@intel.com>>; Gao,
>     Zhichao
>     > <zhichao.gao@intel.com <mailto:zhichao.gao@intel.com>>
>     > *主题:* RE: [edk2-devel] RFC: Add BaseLib/QuickSort in MdePkg
>     >
>     > More details on new QuickSort() API:
>     >
>     > The new API needs to carry additional parameter “BufferOneElement”.
>     >
>     > This parameter gives QuickSort() the temporary buffer for
>     swapping in
>     > sorting.
>     >
>     > It’s to avoid BaseLib depends on MemoryAllocationLib.
>     >
>     > …
>     >
>     > @param [in] BufferOneElement  When ElementSize > 256, caller
>     needs to
>     > provide a buffer whose size
>     >                               equals to ElementSize. It’s used by
>     > QuickSort() for swapping in sorting.
>     >
>     > When ElementSize <= 256, QuickSort() uses a local stack 256-byte
>     buffer.
>     >
>     > @retval EFI_INVALID_PARAMETER When (ElementSize > 256) and
>     > (BufferOneElement == NULL).
>     >
>     > …
>     >
>     > VOID
>     >
>     > EFIAPI
>     >
>     > QuickSort (
>     >
>     >   IN OUT VOID                         *BufferToSort,
>     >
>     >   IN CONST UINTN ElementCount,
>     >
>     >   IN CONST UINTN ElementSize,
>     >
>     >   IN       SORT_COMPARE CompareFunction,
>     >
>     > IN VOID                         *BufferOneElement OPTIONAL
>     >
>     > );
>     >
>     > Any comments?
>     >
>     > *From:*devel@edk2.groups.io <mailto:devel@edk2.groups.io>
>     > <devel@edk2.groups.io <mailto:devel@edk2.groups.io>> *On Behalf Of
>     > *Ni, Ray
>     > *Sent:* Wednesday, September 22, 2021 2:04 PM
>     > *To:* Chan, Amy <amy.chan@intel.com <mailto:amy.chan@intel.com>>;
>     > gaoliming <gaoliming@byosoft.com.cn
>     > <mailto:gaoliming@byosoft.com.cn>>; 'Andrew Fish' <afish@apple.com
>     > <mailto:afish@apple.com>>; 'edk2-devel-groups-io'
>     > <devel@edk2.groups.io <mailto:devel@edk2.groups.io>>
>     > *Cc:* Kinney, Michael D <michael.d.kinney@intel.com
>     > <mailto:michael.d.kinney@intel.com>>; 'Gao, Liming'
>     > <liming.gao@intel.com <mailto:liming.gao@intel.com>>; Liu, Zhiguang
>     > <zhiguang.liu@intel.com <mailto:zhiguang.liu@intel.com>>; Wang,
>     Jian J
>     > <jian.j.wang@intel.com <mailto:jian.j.wang@intel.com>>; Gao,
>     Zhichao
>     > <zhichao.gao@intel.com <mailto:zhichao.gao@intel.com>>
>     > *Subject:* Re: [edk2-devel] RFC: Add BaseLib/QuickSort in MdePkg
>     >
>     > I don’t see objection so far.
>     >
>     > So, the final solution is:
>     >
>     >  1. Add QuickSort() API to BaseLib in MdePkg.
>     >  2. Update existing MdeModulePkg/SortLib to use QuickSort() in the
>     >     implementation (proposed by Andrew Fish and Liming Gao)
>     >  3. Update UefiCpuPkg to use QuickSortLib to remove improper
>     >     dependency on MdeModulePkg
>     >
>     > Thanks,
>     >
>     > Ray
>     >
>     > *From:*Ni, Ray
>     > *Sent:* Thursday, September 16, 2021 10:48 AM
>     > *To:* Chan, Amy <amy.chan@intel.com <mailto:amy.chan@intel.com>>;
>     > gaoliming <gaoliming@byosoft.com.cn
>     > <mailto:gaoliming@byosoft.com.cn>>; 'Andrew Fish' <afish@apple.com
>     > <mailto:afish@apple.com>>; 'edk2-devel-groups-io'
>     > <devel@edk2.groups.io <mailto:devel@edk2.groups.io>>
>     > *Cc:* Kinney, Michael D <michael.d.kinney@intel.com
>     > <mailto:michael.d.kinney@intel.com>>; 'Gao, Liming'
>     > <liming.gao@intel.com <mailto:liming.gao@intel.com>>; Liu, Zhiguang
>     > <Zhiguang.Liu@intel.com <mailto:Zhiguang.Liu@intel.com>>; Wang,
>     Jian J
>     > <jian.j.wang@intel.com <mailto:jian.j.wang@intel.com>>; Gao,
>     Zhichao
>     > <zhichao.gao@intel.com <mailto:zhichao.gao@intel.com>>
>     > *Subject:* RE: [edk2-devel] RFC: Add BaseLib/QuickSort in MdePkg
>     >
>     > Amy,
>     >
>     > No. We only Add QuickSort() function API into BaseLib.h.
>     >
>     > *From:*Chan, Amy <amy.chan@intel.com <mailto:amy.chan@intel.com>>
>     > *Sent:* Thursday, September 16, 2021 10:46 AM
>     > *To:* gaoliming <gaoliming@byosoft.com.cn
>     > <mailto:gaoliming@byosoft.com.cn>>; 'Andrew Fish' <afish@apple.com
>     > <mailto:afish@apple.com>>; 'edk2-devel-groups-io'
>     > <devel@edk2.groups.io <mailto:devel@edk2.groups.io>>
>     > *Cc:* Ni, Ray <ray.ni@intel.com <mailto:ray.ni@intel.com>>; Kinney,
>     > Michael D <michael.d.kinney@intel.com
>     > <mailto:michael.d.kinney@intel.com>>; 'Gao, Liming'
>     > <liming.gao@intel.com <mailto:liming.gao@intel.com>>; Liu, Zhiguang
>     > <zhiguang.liu@intel.com <mailto:zhiguang.liu@intel.com>>; Wang,
>     Jian J
>     > <jian.j.wang@intel.com <mailto:jian.j.wang@intel.com>>; Gao,
>     Zhichao
>     > <zhichao.gao@intel.com <mailto:zhichao.gao@intel.com>>
>     > *Subject:* RE: [edk2-devel] RFC: Add BaseLib/QuickSort in MdePkg
>     >
>     > Just to double confirm, will we have the null instance of
>     QuickSort in
>     > MdePkg?
>     >
>     > Regards,
>     >
>     > Amy
>     >
>     > *From:*gaoliming <gaoliming@byosoft.com.cn
>     > <mailto:gaoliming@byosoft.com.cn>>
>     > *Sent:* Thursday, September 16, 2021 10:23 AM
>     > *To:* 'Andrew Fish' <afish@apple.com <mailto:afish@apple.com>>;
>     > 'edk2-devel-groups-io' <devel@edk2.groups.io
>     > <mailto:devel@edk2.groups.io>>
>     > *Cc:* Ni, Ray <ray.ni@intel.com <mailto:ray.ni@intel.com>>; Kinney,
>     > Michael D <michael.d.kinney@intel.com
>     > <mailto:michael.d.kinney@intel.com>>; 'Gao, Liming'
>     > <liming.gao@intel.com <mailto:liming.gao@intel.com>>; Liu, Zhiguang
>     > <zhiguang.liu@intel.com <mailto:zhiguang.liu@intel.com>>; Wang,
>     Jian J
>     > <jian.j.wang@intel.com <mailto:jian.j.wang@intel.com>>; Gao,
>     Zhichao
>     > <zhichao.gao@intel.com <mailto:zhichao.gao@intel.com>>; Chan, Amy
>     > <amy.chan@intel.com <mailto:amy.chan@intel.com>>
>     > *Subject:* 回复: [edk2-devel] RFC: Add BaseLib/QuickSort in MdePkg
>     >
>     > Andrew:
>     >
>     > Thanks for your suggestion. I think your idea is better. We add new
>     > QuickSort() API to BaseLib, and update SortLib library instance to
>     > consume BaseLib QuickSort() API. This way has no change in current
>     > SortLib library class. It is the compatible solution.
>     >
>     > Thanks
>     >
>     > Liming
>     >
>     > *发件人**:*Andrew Fish <afish@apple.com <mailto:afish@apple.com>>
>     > *发送时间:* 2021年9月16日 10:13
>     > *收件人:* edk2-devel-groups-io <devel@edk2.groups.io
>     > <mailto:devel@edk2.groups.io>>; Liming Gao
>     <gaoliming@byosoft.com.cn
>     > <mailto:gaoliming@byosoft.com.cn>>
>     > *抄送:* Ni, Ray <ray.ni@intel.com <mailto:ray.ni@intel.com>>; Mike
>     > Kinney <michael.d.kinney@intel.com
>     > <mailto:michael.d.kinney@intel.com>>; Gao, Liming
>     > <liming.gao@intel.com <mailto:liming.gao@intel.com>>; Liu, Zhiguang
>     > <zhiguang.liu@intel.com <mailto:zhiguang.liu@intel.com>>; Wang,
>     Jian J
>     > <jian.j.wang@intel.com <mailto:jian.j.wang@intel.com>>; Gao,
>     Zhichao
>     > <zhichao.gao@intel.com <mailto:zhichao.gao@intel.com>>; Chan, Amy
>     > <amy.chan@intel.com <mailto:amy.chan@intel.com>>
>     > *主题:* Re: [edk2-devel] RFC: Add BaseLib/QuickSort in MdePkg
>     >
>     >     On Sep 15, 2021, at 6:26 PM, gaoliming <gaoliming@byosoft.com.cn
>     >     <mailto:gaoliming@byosoft.com.cn>> wrote:
>     >
>     >     Ray:
>     >
>     >     SortLib has been added since 2015. I would suggest to still keep
>     >     this library class. To resolve the package dependency, my
>     proposal
>     >     is to move the library class header file SortLib.h from
>     >     MdeModulePkg to MdePkg, and still keep the library instance in
>     >     MdeModulePkg. This proposal has no impact on the existing
>     platform.
>     >
>     > If we add QuickSort() API to the BaseLib can we not just port the
>     > existing MdeModulePkg/SortLib to use QuickSort() in the
>     > implementation? Or is there some other way to add the new thing
>     in a
>     > backward compatible way.
>     >
>     > Thanks,
>     >
>     > Andrew Fish
>     >
>     >     Thanks
>     >
>     >     Liming
>     >
>     >     *发件人**:*devel@edk2.groups.io
>     > <mailto:devel@edk2.groups.io><devel@edk2.groups.io
>     > <mailto:devel@edk2.groups.io>>*代表***Ni, Ray
>     >     *发送时间:*2021年9月14日14:15
>     >     *收件人:*Kinney, Michael D <michael.d.kinney@intel.com
>     >     <mailto:michael.d.kinney@intel.com>>; Gao, Liming
>     >     <liming.gao@intel.com <mailto:liming.gao@intel.com>>; Liu,
>     >     Zhiguang <zhiguang.liu@intel.com
>     <mailto:zhiguang.liu@intel.com>>;
>     >     Wang, Jian J <jian.j.wang@intel.com
>     >     <mailto:jian.j.wang@intel.com>>; Gao, Zhichao
>     >     <zhichao.gao@intel.com <mailto:zhichao.gao@intel.com>>
>     >     *抄送:*devel@edk2.groups.io <mailto:devel@edk2.groups.io>;
>     Chan, Amy
>     >     <amy.chan@intel.com <mailto:amy.chan@intel.com>>
>     >     *主题:*[edk2-devel] RFC: Add BaseLib/QuickSort in MdePkg
>     >
>     >     Hi package maintainers of MdePkg, MdeModulePkg and ShellPkg,
>     >     community,
>     >
>     >     A commit (UefiCpuPkg/CpuCacheInfoLib: Sort CpuCacheInfo array
>     >
>     <https://github.com/tianocore/edk2/commit/4de77ae9890d241271f543e9195ab3516f3abec6>)
>     >     to UefiCpuPkg let
>     >     UefiCpuPkg depend on MdeModulePkg because the SortLib class and
>     >     instances are all in MdeModulePkg.
>     >
>     >     UefiCpuPkg depending on MdeModulePkg breaks the rule that
>     >     “UefiCpuPkg should ONLY depend on MdePkg”.
>     >
>     >     To address this issue, there are two approaches:
>     >
>     >      1. Duplicate the sort logic in UefiCpuPkg to not depend on
>     >         MdeModulePkg/SortLib
>     >      2. Add QuickSort() API to BaseLib in MdePkg.
>     >
>     >     Approach #2 (MdePkg/BaseLib/QuickSort) makes more sense because
>     >     quick sort is a standard algorithm.
>     >
>     >     We encourage consumers to update their code to use the quick
>     sort
>     >     in MdePkg and gradually deprecate today’s MdeModulePkg/SortLib.
>     >
>     >     If you don’t have concerns, I plan to:
>     >
>     >      1. “Add QuickSort() to BaseLib” and update all existing
>     consumers
>     >         to use this API instead.
>     >
>     >     VOID
>     >
>     >     EFIAPI
>     >
>     >     QuickSort (
>     >
>     >       IN OUT VOID                   *BufferToSort,
>     >
>     >       IN CONST UINTN Count,
>     >
>     >       IN CONST UINTN ElementSize,
>     >
>     >   IN       SORT_COMPARE         CompareFunction
>     >
>     >       );
>     >
>     >      2. “Add new ShellPkg/SortCompareLib”
>     >
>     >     Background: ShellPkg requires to sort devicepath/string so 3
>     APIs
>     >     in UefiSortLib (DevicePathCompare, StringNoCaseCompare,
>     >     StringCompare) are provided for Shell usage. we can move the 3
>     >     APIs to the SortCompareLib and update Shell code to use
>     >     BaseLib/QuickSort directly, with the sort compare function from
>     >     SortCompareLib.
>     >
>     >     Any concerns?
>     >
>     >     Thanks,
>     >
>     >     Ray
>     >
>     >
>     
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Thread overview: 21+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-09-14  6:15 RFC: Add BaseLib/QuickSort in MdePkg Ni, Ray
2021-09-16  1:26 ` 回复: [edk2-devel] " gaoliming
2021-09-16  2:13   ` Andrew Fish
2021-09-16  2:23     ` 回复: " gaoliming
2021-09-16  2:45       ` Chan, Amy
2021-09-16  2:47         ` Ni, Ray
2021-09-22  6:03           ` Ni, Ray
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2021-09-24  3:53             ` Ni, Ray
2021-09-26  2:00               ` 回复: " gaoliming
2021-09-26  2:24                 ` Ni, Ray
2021-09-26 11:20                   ` Marvin Häuser
2021-09-27  0:45                     ` Jeff Fan
2021-09-27  8:14                       ` Marvin Häuser
2021-09-27  8:50                         ` Jeff Fan [this message]
2021-09-27  9:09                           ` Marvin Häuser
2021-09-28  1:49                             ` Ni, Ray
2021-09-28 22:25                               ` Brian J. Johnson
2021-09-29  0:51                                 ` 回复: " gaoliming
2021-09-29  2:42                                   ` Ni, Ray
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2021-09-27  9:06                           ` Jeff Fan
2021-09-16  2:47       ` Ni, Ray

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