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From: "Gerd Hoffmann" <kraxel@redhat.com>
To: "Yao, Jiewen" <jiewen.yao@intel.com>
Cc: "jejb@linux.ibm.com" <jejb@linux.ibm.com>,
	"devel@edk2.groups.io" <devel@edk2.groups.io>,
	"Xu, Min M" <min.m.xu@intel.com>,
	Ard Biesheuvel <ardb+tianocore@kernel.org>,
	"Justen, Jordan L" <jordan.l.justen@intel.com>,
	Brijesh Singh <brijesh.singh@amd.com>,
	Erdem Aktas <erdemaktas@google.com>,
	Tom Lendacky <thomas.lendacky@amd.com>
Subject: Re: [edk2-devel] [PATCH V3 15/29] OvmfPkg: Update SecEntry.nasm to support Tdx
Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2021 09:12:04 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20211124081204.ortxlgwgp2c5dlhw@sirius.home.kraxel.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <MW4PR11MB5872CD6E772550B62D52F5F18C619@MW4PR11MB5872.namprd11.prod.outlook.com>

  Hi,

> 1. " the PEI domain has very limited exposure, it's the DXE domain that has full exposure "
> [Jiewen] I don’t understand how that is concluded, on " limited exposure ", " full exposure ". 

exposure == "the need to process external input, which an attacker might
use to exploit bugs in edk2 by crafting input data accordingly."

There isn't much external input to process in PEI phase.  Virtual
machines are a bit different than physical machines.  They need to
process some input from the host here which describes the virtual
hardware so they can initialize it properly.  For example parse the
etc/e820 fw_cfg file to figure how much memory is installed (or parse
the td hob in case tdx is used).

That platform-specific code for virtual machine initialization must do
careful sanity checking when you don't want trust the VMM of course.
Whenever that code lives in SEC or PEI doesn't change the picture much
though.

> 2. "bugs in PEI code can't be used to exploit the system when it has transitioned to the DXE domain."
> [Jiewen] I disagree. A bug in PEI code may already modify the HOB, while the HOB is an architecture data input for DXE.
> If DXE relies on some malicious data from PEI, DXE might be exploited later.

Attacking PEI is harder though because the external input it
processes is limited when compared to DXE.

Once you are transitioned to DXE you can't call into PEI Modules
any more.

So, how would an attacker trick PEI code into modifying HOBs (or
carrying out other actions under attackers control)?

take care,
  Gerd


  reply	other threads:[~2021-11-24  8:12 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 107+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-11-01 13:15 [PATCH V3 00/29] Enable Intel TDX in OvmfPkg (Config-A) Min Xu
2021-11-01 13:15 ` [PATCH V3 01/29] MdePkg: Add Tdx.h Min Xu
2021-11-01 13:15 ` [PATCH V3 02/29] MdePkg: Add TdxLib to wrap Tdx operations Min Xu
2021-11-02 14:06   ` Gerd Hoffmann
2021-11-10  4:58     ` [edk2-devel] " Min Xu
2021-11-10 10:38   ` Erdem Aktas
2021-11-12  2:38     ` Min Xu
2021-11-12  2:42       ` Yao, Jiewen
2021-11-12  5:29         ` Min Xu
2021-11-12  5:33           ` Yao, Jiewen
2021-11-01 13:15 ` [PATCH V3 03/29] UefiCpuPkg: Extend VmgExitLibNull to handle #VE exception Min Xu
2021-11-02 14:11   ` Gerd Hoffmann
2021-11-01 13:15 ` [PATCH V3 04/29] OvmfPkg: Extend VmgExitLib " Min Xu
2021-11-02 14:23   ` Gerd Hoffmann
2021-11-10  6:46     ` Min Xu
2021-11-17  0:32   ` Erdem Aktas
2021-11-01 13:15 ` [PATCH V3 05/29] UefiCpuPkg/CpuExceptionHandler: Add base support for the " Min Xu
2021-11-02 14:24   ` Gerd Hoffmann
2021-11-01 13:15 ` [PATCH V3 06/29] MdePkg: Add helper functions for Tdx guest in BaseIoLibIntrinsic Min Xu
2021-11-01 13:15 ` [PATCH V3 07/29] MdePkg: Support mmio " Min Xu
2021-11-01 13:15 ` [PATCH V3 08/29] MdePkg: Support IoFifo " Min Xu
2021-11-01 13:15 ` [PATCH V3 09/29] MdePkg: Support IoRead/IoWrite " Min Xu
2021-11-01 13:15 ` [PATCH V3 10/29] UefiPayloadPkg: PreparePrepare UefiPayloadPkg to use TdxLib Min Xu
2021-11-01 15:31   ` Guo Dong
2021-11-01 15:58   ` Ma, Maurice
2021-11-02  0:07     ` Min Xu
2021-11-02 14:32   ` Gerd Hoffmann
2021-11-01 13:16 ` [PATCH V3 11/29] UefiCpuPkg: Support TDX in BaseXApicX2ApicLib Min Xu
2021-11-02 14:33   ` Gerd Hoffmann
2021-11-01 13:16 ` [PATCH V3 12/29] UefiCpuPkg: Define ConfidentialComputingGuestAttr Min Xu
2021-11-02 14:36   ` Gerd Hoffmann
2021-11-03  8:32     ` [edk2-devel] " Min Xu
2021-11-01 13:16 ` [PATCH V3 13/29] MdePkg: Add macro to check SEV/TDX guest Min Xu
2021-11-02 14:36   ` Gerd Hoffmann
2021-11-01 13:16 ` [PATCH V3 14/29] UefiCpuPkg: Enable Tdx support in MpInitLib Min Xu
2021-11-03  6:09   ` Gerd Hoffmann
2021-11-03 12:57     ` Min Xu
2021-11-04  8:10       ` Gerd Hoffmann
2021-11-04 15:21         ` Lendacky, Thomas
2021-11-04 23:24           ` Min Xu
2021-11-05  6:46             ` [edk2-devel] " Gerd Hoffmann
2021-11-05  6:53               ` Min Xu
2021-11-09  2:44               ` Min Xu
2021-11-01 13:16 ` [PATCH V3 15/29] OvmfPkg: Update SecEntry.nasm to support Tdx Min Xu
2021-11-03  6:30   ` Gerd Hoffmann
2021-11-16 12:11     ` Min Xu
2021-11-17 15:19       ` Gerd Hoffmann
2021-11-18  9:59         ` Yao, Jiewen
2021-11-19 15:11           ` Gerd Hoffmann
2021-11-20  3:18             ` Yao, Jiewen
2021-11-23 12:38               ` Gerd Hoffmann
2021-11-23 13:07                 ` Yao, Jiewen
2021-11-23 14:26                   ` James Bottomley
2021-11-23 14:36                     ` Yao, Jiewen
2021-11-23 14:51                       ` James Bottomley
2021-11-23 15:10                         ` Yao, Jiewen
2021-11-23 15:37                           ` [edk2-devel] " James Bottomley
2021-11-24  3:15                             ` Yao, Jiewen
2021-11-24  8:12                               ` Gerd Hoffmann [this message]
2021-11-24 11:08                                 ` Yao, Jiewen
2021-11-24 13:35                                   ` James Bottomley
2021-11-24 14:03                                     ` Yao, Jiewen
2021-11-24 14:07                                       ` James Bottomley
2021-11-24 14:59                                         ` Yao, Jiewen
2021-11-25  8:32                                           ` Gerd Hoffmann
2021-11-26  6:29                                             ` Yao, Jiewen
2021-12-01 13:55                                               ` Gerd Hoffmann
2021-12-02 13:22                                                 ` Yao, Jiewen
2021-12-06 14:57                                                   ` Gerd Hoffmann
2021-12-07  2:28                                                     ` Yao, Jiewen
2021-12-07  8:04                                                       ` Gerd Hoffmann
2021-12-08  5:13                                                         ` Min Xu
     [not found]                                         ` <16BA8381113E7B1B.22735@groups.io>
2021-11-24 15:30                                           ` Yao, Jiewen
     [not found]                             ` <16BA5D1709524394.9880@groups.io>
2021-11-24  3:21                               ` Yao, Jiewen
2021-11-01 13:16 ` [PATCH V3 16/29] OvmfPkg: Add IntelTdx.h in OvmfPkg/Include/IndustryStandard Min Xu
2021-11-01 13:16 ` [PATCH V3 17/29] OvmfPkg: Add TdxMailboxLib Min Xu
2021-11-01 13:16 ` [PATCH V3 18/29] MdePkg: Add EFI_RESOURCE_ATTRIBUTE_ENCRYPTED in PiHob.h Min Xu
2021-11-01 13:16 ` [PATCH V3 19/29] OvmfPkg: Enable Tdx in SecMain.c Min Xu
2021-11-01 13:16 ` [PATCH V3 20/29] OvmfPkg: Check Tdx in QemuFwCfgPei to avoid DMA operation Min Xu
2021-11-03  6:50   ` Gerd Hoffmann
2021-11-03 13:07     ` Min Xu
2021-11-03 13:35     ` Min Xu
2021-11-04 14:36       ` Brijesh Singh
2021-11-01 13:16 ` [PATCH V3 21/29] MdeModulePkg: EFER should not be changed in TDX Min Xu
2021-11-03  6:51   ` Gerd Hoffmann
2021-11-01 13:16 ` [PATCH V3 22/29] MdeModulePkg: Set shared bit in Mmio region for Tdx guest Min Xu
2021-11-03  6:57   ` Gerd Hoffmann
2021-11-04  7:03     ` [edk2-devel] " Min Xu
2021-11-01 13:16 ` [PATCH V3 23/29] UefiCpuPkg: Update AddressEncMask in CpuPageTable Min Xu
2021-11-03  7:00   ` Gerd Hoffmann
2021-11-22  3:09     ` [edk2-devel] " Ni, Ray
2021-12-07  3:50       ` Min Xu
2021-12-07  7:15         ` Gerd Hoffmann
2021-11-01 13:16 ` [PATCH V3 24/29] OvmfPkg: Update PlatformPei to support TDX Min Xu
2021-11-01 13:16 ` [PATCH V3 25/29] OvmfPkg: Update AcpiPlatformDxe to alter MADT table Min Xu
2021-11-01 13:16 ` [PATCH V3 26/29] OvmfPkg: Add TdxDxe driver Min Xu
2021-11-01 13:16 ` [PATCH V3 27/29] OvmfPkg/BaseMemEncryptTdxLib: Add TDX helper library Min Xu
2021-11-03  7:10   ` Gerd Hoffmann
2021-12-08  8:37     ` [edk2-devel] " Min Xu
2021-11-01 13:16 ` [PATCH V3 28/29] OvmfPkg/QemuFwCfgLib: Support Tdx in QemuFwCfgDxe Min Xu
2021-11-03  7:12   ` Gerd Hoffmann
2021-12-13  2:06     ` Min Xu
2021-11-01 13:16 ` [PATCH V3 29/29] OvmfPkg: Update IoMmuDxe to support TDX Min Xu
2021-11-03  7:17   ` Gerd Hoffmann
2021-12-13  2:39     ` [edk2-devel] " Min Xu
2021-12-13  6:42       ` Gerd Hoffmann
2021-12-13  7:33         ` Min Xu

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