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From: "Gerd Hoffmann" <kraxel@redhat.com>
To: Pedro Falcato <pedro.falcato@gmail.com>
Cc: edk2-devel-groups-io <devel@edk2.groups.io>,
	Andrew Fish <afish@apple.com>,
	"KILIAN_KEGEL@outlook.com" <KILIAN_KEGEL@outlook.com>,
	Mike Kinney <michael.d.kinney@intel.com>,
	"Yao, Jiewen" <jiewen.yao@intel.com>,
	Sean Brogan <sean.brogan@microsoft.com>,
	Bret Barkelew <Bret.Barkelew@microsoft.com>,
	"Wang, Jian J" <jian.j.wang@intel.com>,
	"Jiang, Guomin" <guomin.jiang@intel.com>,
	Pawel Polawski <ppolawsk@redhat.com>,
	"Lu, XiaoyuX" <xiaoyux.lu@intel.com>
Subject: Re: [edk2-devel] [PATCH 00/24] CryptoPkg/openssl: update openssl submodule to v3.0
Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2022 11:14:29 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20220128101429.s7sop6wz2ictnmuw@sirius.home.kraxel.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAKbZUD3FfkYK-3Axe40YeFyu2F_7Q1Ctq9zPhyzV51SYPHGuog@mail.gmail.com>

  Hi,

> I think that maybe "Why are we bringing in so much third-party code to
> firmware?" is a way better question than "is it feasible to implement all
> the required builtins?". Why can my firmware speak TLS, and why does it
> have a whole copy of *OpenSSL*, which is a huge library with a big attack
> surface and was never written to be run in a firmware/kernel/bare metal
> environment like UEFI.

crypto is needed for:
  (1) network boot (tls for https)
  (2) iscsi (tls too).
  (3) secure boot.
  (4) tpm support.
  (5) secure firmware updates.

And possibly more.

> Note: If there's a big need for something like internal TLS I would
> recommend BearSSL as a very small TLS implementation that was actually
> written for embedded systems.

Well, that doesn't look like an actively maintained project.  One commit
in 2021.  Four commits in 2020.  Features like TLS-1.3 support on the
TODO-List but apparently nobody working on it.

take care,
  Gerd


  reply	other threads:[~2022-01-28 10:14 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 63+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-12-03 16:07 [PATCH 00/24] CryptoPkg/openssl: update openssl submodule to v3.0 Gerd Hoffmann
2021-12-03 16:07 ` [PATCH 01/24] CryptoPkg/openssl: update submodule to 3.0 Gerd Hoffmann
2021-12-03 16:07 ` [PATCH 02/24] CryptoPkg/openssl: process_files.pl: drop UefiAsm.conf Gerd Hoffmann
2021-12-03 16:07 ` [PATCH 03/24] CryptoPkg/openssl: process_files.pl: expand *.a Gerd Hoffmann
2021-12-03 16:07 ` [PATCH 04/24] CryptoPkg/openssl: process_files.pl: set api to 1.1.1 Gerd Hoffmann
2021-12-03 16:07 ` [PATCH 05/24] CryptoPkg/openssl: process_files.pl: change config header handling Gerd Hoffmann
2021-12-03 16:07 ` [PATCH 06/24] CryptoPkg/openssl: process_files.pl: provider headers Gerd Hoffmann
2021-12-03 16:07 ` [PATCH 07/24] CryptoPkg/openssl: process_files.pl: skip unused files Gerd Hoffmann
2021-12-03 16:07 ` [PATCH 08/24] CryptoPkg/openssl: process_files.pl: clean up when done Gerd Hoffmann
2021-12-03 16:07 ` [PATCH 09/24] CryptoPkg/openssl: process_files.pl: filter out crypto/buildinf.h Gerd Hoffmann
2021-12-03 16:07 ` [PATCH 10/24] CryptoPkg/openssl: update generated files Gerd Hoffmann
2021-12-03 16:07 ` [PATCH 11/24] CryptoPkg/BaseCryptLib: no openssl deprecation warnings please Gerd Hoffmann
2021-12-03 16:07 ` [PATCH 12/24] CryptoPkg/BaseCryptLib; adapt CryptSm3.c to openssl 3.0 changes Gerd Hoffmann
2021-12-03 16:07 ` [PATCH 13/24] CryptoPkg/BaseCryptLib: add more bio print dummies Gerd Hoffmann
2021-12-03 16:07 ` [PATCH 14/24] CryptoPkg/openssl: adapt rand_pool.c to openssl 3.0 changes Gerd Hoffmann
2021-12-03 16:07 ` [PATCH 15/24] CryptoPkg/openssl: add dummy file store Gerd Hoffmann
2021-12-03 16:07 ` [PATCH 16/24] CryptoPkg/openssl: move compiler_flags to buildinf.c Gerd Hoffmann
2021-12-03 16:07 ` [PATCH 17/24] CryptoPkg/CrtLibSupport: add fcntl.h Gerd Hoffmann
2021-12-03 16:07 ` [PATCH 18/24] CryptoPkg/CrtLibSupport: add strstr() Gerd Hoffmann
2021-12-03 16:07 ` [PATCH 19/24] CryptoPkg/CrtLibSupport: add INT_MIN Gerd Hoffmann
2021-12-03 16:07 ` [PATCH 20/24] CryptoPkg/CrtLibSupport: add UINT_MAX Gerd Hoffmann
2021-12-03 16:07 ` [PATCH 21/24] CryptoPkg/CrtLibSupport: add MODULESDIR Gerd Hoffmann
2021-12-03 16:07 ` [PATCH 22/24] CryptoPkg/openssl: process_files.pl: copy generated der/*.c source files Gerd Hoffmann
2021-12-03 16:07 ` [PATCH 23/24] CryptoPkg/openssl: add generated files der " Gerd Hoffmann
2021-12-03 16:07 ` [PATCH 24/24] [hack] turn off -Werror Gerd Hoffmann
2021-12-03 16:27   ` [edk2-devel] " Michael D Kinney
2021-12-03 17:57     ` Pedro Falcato
2021-12-03 18:38       ` Michael D Kinney
2021-12-06  7:38         ` Gerd Hoffmann
2021-12-06  7:23     ` Gerd Hoffmann
2021-12-08  8:06     ` Gerd Hoffmann
2021-12-03 16:32 ` [edk2-devel] [PATCH 00/24] CryptoPkg/openssl: update openssl submodule to v3.0 Michael D Kinney
2021-12-03 16:42   ` Yao, Jiewen
2022-01-17 11:46     ` Gerd Hoffmann
2022-01-18 11:12       ` Yao, Jiewen
2022-01-18 16:12         ` Michael D Kinney
2022-01-21  8:33           ` Gerd Hoffmann
2022-01-21 16:34             ` Michael D Kinney
2022-01-21  8:30         ` Gerd Hoffmann
2022-01-21 16:38           ` Michael D Kinney
2022-01-24 16:24             ` Kilian Kegel
2022-01-24 17:28               ` Michael D Kinney
2022-01-24 19:58                 ` Pedro Falcato
2022-01-26 11:02                   ` Gerd Hoffmann
2022-01-27 22:26                     ` Kilian Kegel
2022-01-28  0:55                       ` Andrew Fish
2022-01-28  9:06                         ` Pedro Falcato
2022-01-28 10:14                           ` Gerd Hoffmann [this message]
2022-01-28 11:23                             ` Pedro Falcato
2022-01-28  9:51                         ` Gerd Hoffmann
2022-01-30 20:17                         ` Kilian Kegel
2022-02-01  9:55                           ` Gerd Hoffmann
2022-02-02 12:07                             ` Kilian Kegel
2022-01-25 20:05                 ` Kilian Kegel
2022-01-23  8:41           ` Yao, Jiewen
2021-12-06  8:05   ` Gerd Hoffmann
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2022-01-28 14:07 Gerd Hoffmann
2022-01-28 14:14 ` Gerd Hoffmann
2022-01-28 15:54 ` Pedro Falcato
2022-02-01  9:39   ` Gerd Hoffmann
2022-01-28 16:00 ` Pedro Falcato
2022-01-28 16:12   ` Kilian Kegel
2022-02-01  9:50   ` Gerd Hoffmann

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