From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.redhat.com (mx1.redhat.com [209.132.183.28]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ml01.01.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A71321A1E27 for ; Mon, 1 Aug 2016 06:25:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from int-mx13.intmail.prod.int.phx2.redhat.com (int-mx13.intmail.prod.int.phx2.redhat.com [10.5.11.26]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.redhat.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7DF08811A7; Mon, 1 Aug 2016 13:25:17 +0000 (UTC) Received: from lacos-laptop-7.usersys.redhat.com (ovpn-116-119.phx2.redhat.com [10.3.116.119]) by int-mx13.intmail.prod.int.phx2.redhat.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id u71DPFBg029363; Mon, 1 Aug 2016 09:25:16 -0400 To: Bruce Cran , Andrew Fish References: <44fc515a-ce09-f8d0-88e3-ea665f34a11f@redhat.com> <85D48248-620C-4675-A090-C47C68ABC145@apple.com> Cc: edk2-devel-01 From: Laszlo Ersek Message-ID: <27de671e-1a95-3f6b-f48f-52d32fa53d83@redhat.com> Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2016 15:25:15 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.2.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.68 on 10.5.11.26 X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.5.16 (mx1.redhat.com [10.5.110.26]); Mon, 01 Aug 2016 13:25:18 +0000 (UTC) Subject: Re: Ingebrigtsen: The End of Gmane? X-BeenThere: edk2-devel@lists.01.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: EDK II Development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 01 Aug 2016 13:25:18 -0000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On 07/31/16 04:25, Bruce Cran wrote: > On 7/28/2016 1:19 PM, Andrew Fish wrote: > >> Seems he will send you the disks. What could go wrong? > > I'm actually tempted to take him up on that offer. > Just today I went looking for information about UefiDebugLib to see if > it was possible for a driver to print debug information to the serial > port (or other sort of debug device) instead of the console, and came > across the thread at > http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.comp.bios.tianocore.devel/3024 where > thanks to Google's cache I learned that: > > "The EDK used some Tiano and implementation defined protocols to support > DEBUG and ASSERT macros. So DEBUG > and ASSERT from the EDK can only be reliably used if you compile all the > EDK firmware together. As Liming > points out it is much safer to use a UEFI console based debug message > for developing generic drivers and > applications." > > It's a shame to lose information like that. I think the Internet Archive intends to pick up the DB + WebUI: https://lars.ingebrigtsen.no/2016/07/28/the-end-of-gmane/comment-page-1/#comment-13501 Also, from Lars Ingebrigtsen (speaking to a yet to be determined entity): "I hand over the gmane.org domain to you [...] All previous permalink.gmane.org (etc.) links continue to work as before, but they’ll look new and spiffy in your new and spiffy web interface." https://lars.ingebrigtsen.no/2016/07/28/the-end-of-gmane/comment-page-1/#comment-13502 (Actually, I'm a huge fan of the current (oldie but goldie) WebUI, so "new and spiffy" is a minus for me, but at least the links should continue to work.) Going forward I'll have to constrain myself to the builtin mailman2 links at . (Thanks again Bruce and Mike for enabling those.) Thanks Laszlo