From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from out4-smtp.messagingengine.com (out4-smtp.messagingengine.com [66.111.4.28]) by mx.groups.io with SMTP id smtpd.web11.109424.1680631422112723691 for ; Tue, 04 Apr 2023 11:03:42 -0700 Authentication-Results: mx.groups.io; dkim=fail reason="signature has expired" header.i=@bsdio.com header.s=fm3 header.b=XiMvDJ0N; spf=pass (domain: bsdio.com, ip: 66.111.4.28, mailfrom: rebecca@bsdio.com) Received: from compute1.internal (compute1.nyi.internal [10.202.2.41]) by mailout.nyi.internal (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7167B5C015E; Tue, 4 Apr 2023 14:03:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailfrontend2 ([10.202.2.163]) by compute1.internal (MEProxy); Tue, 04 Apr 2023 14:03:41 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=bsdio.com; h=cc :cc:content-transfer-encoding:content-type:content-type:date :date:from:from:in-reply-to:in-reply-to:message-id:mime-version :references:reply-to:sender:subject:subject:to:to; s=fm3; t= 1680631421; x=1680717821; bh=GqwXYXgJAD6UgRqhAD3TOPI7PSPhvV1nvFp OxAgr/yw=; b=XiMvDJ0NpHx8aWgMBn+ZEEBek7wCntwZ7MQBIApr+pSDTqCg8OP 55/Nl1+XlIr3UGmblc5NInZl7gvVLOQzrPeOSsx47PI2s/hqlX4g1eoYq07bi8Zg IpHYr05EicDN1F2YZPMSvinjkSRmrgvZEXoTBxSIk32Spmi1liJzrz79hvUUkJlL tIlh6Uj65oOuOZhR6HIPVhSxcUcomGgcwXS1GmZD5ewVvqgYdd/+hdgOQFuN1XIu wBQutEUiMbt0Qk/drwEHDELW5BGBdYJISj2K4+ARjUklPmECw69CxC6UAZ3jKyUY zZD3A/z9TZ176aCAflBzQ05uem8onWzS/wQ== DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d= messagingengine.com; h=cc:cc:content-transfer-encoding :content-type:content-type:date:date:feedback-id:feedback-id :from:from:in-reply-to:in-reply-to:message-id:mime-version :references:reply-to:sender:subject:subject:to:to:x-me-proxy :x-me-proxy:x-me-sender:x-me-sender:x-sasl-enc; s=fm2; t= 1680631421; x=1680717821; bh=GqwXYXgJAD6UgRqhAD3TOPI7PSPhvV1nvFp OxAgr/yw=; b=XPbi1Ioa6abQBfWAhGj/zxAqWgxMMfuifw5XavK/fN4dZo4nuYC EmXYOW3KyINn1JfTMZAEDSHyYy20YtlVjJX8Huqq7n3sy7uPXFBwDtYHNM1dRF37 m1bH46/Uw0lnP3V2eNj2VRiMz3iTX2pn2fE77IH+VynNTRxEe5yVWqmOBnuWEEuv laBiWmQeUQIKc97enmQgV+89CRvGR1ZySVY9fY21rrb13kduUB+D865gUKV7/F81 PXfDkDYyC5ZSCqIDMav1QePlJ6f7+ETcvwncO2RbaUDqtGuR/KGpUuJLUxhsGO4S y1+WWpGNnAOiltm1uYVqOvCojYR3oVDaCQQ== X-ME-Sender: X-ME-Received: X-ME-Proxy-Cause: gggruggvucftvghtrhhoucdtuddrgedvhedrvdeiledguddvtdcutefuodetggdotefrod ftvfcurfhrohhfihhlvgemucfhrghsthforghilhdpqfgfvfdpuffrtefokffrpgfnqfgh necuuegrihhlohhuthemuceftddtnecusecvtfgvtghiphhivghnthhsucdlqddutddtmd enucfjughrpefkffggfgfuvfevfhfhjggtgfesthekredttdefjeenucfhrhhomheptfgv sggvtggtrgcuvehrrghnuceorhgvsggvtggtrgessghsughiohdrtghomheqnecuggftrf grthhtvghrnhepgeefgeevudehjefgudfffefhheelheeigffhtedvjedvlefhueekhffh vdegheevnecuvehluhhsthgvrhfuihiivgeptdenucfrrghrrghmpehmrghilhhfrhhomh eprhgvsggvtggtrgessghsughiohdrtghomh X-ME-Proxy: Feedback-ID: i5b994698:Fastmail Received: by mail.messagingengine.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA; Tue, 4 Apr 2023 14:03:39 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <2a83219e-0518-6929-3be2-9b250b9a9b06@bsdio.com> Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2023 12:03:38 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.15; rv:102.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/102.9.1 Subject: =?UTF-8?B?UmU6IOWbnuWkjTog5Zue5aSNOiBbZWRrMi1kZXZlbF0gW1BBVENIIHYyIDAwLzEzXSBCYXNlVG9vbHMsQ3J5cHRvUGtnLE1kZVBrZyxPdm1mUGtnOiBEZWxldGUgQ0xBTkczNSxDTEFORzM4LEdDQzQ4LEdDQzQ5LCByZW5hbWUgR0NDNSB0byBHQ0MsIHVwZGF0ZSBDTEFOR0RXQVJGLCBkZWxldGUgVlMgMjAwOC0yMDEzLCBFQkM=?= To: Pedro Falcato , "Kinney, Michael D" Cc: "devel@edk2.groups.io" , Leif Lindholm , "Gao, Liming" , Oliver Smith-Denny , "Jiang, Guomin" , "Lu, Xiaoyu1" , "Wang, Jian J" , "Yao, Jiewen" , Ard Biesheuvel , "Justen, Jordan L" , Gerd Hoffmann , "Feng, Bob C" , Andrew Fish References: <20230328173111.759017-1-rebecca@bsdio.com> <02fb01d961dc$88d6acd0$9a840670$@byosoft.com.cn> <92a85636-3875-fd4d-06ff-dab9670370a5@bsdio.com> <000201d96695$331dede0$9959c9a0$@byosoft.com.cn> <61cc40d6-c2b2-5c56-aa3d-f06a4ee11cd3@bsdio.com> From: "Rebecca Cran" In-Reply-To: Content-Language: en-US Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On 4/4/23 11:57 AM, Pedro Falcato wrote: > On Tue, Apr 4, 2023 at 6:52 PM Kinney, Michael D > wrote: >> I see value in adding a new name. >> >> I see no value in a non-backwards compatible change to delete/rename a fully supported one. > As Leif said, you reduce all sorts of possible confusion. > > VS2013 builds only for Visual Studio 2013 tools, VS2017 does the same > for 2017, GCC5 meanwhile builds on anything from (probably GCC 4.x, > since LTO, 2011) to GCC 13 (to be released soon, 2023). > > Surely downstreams can adapt to *this one cosmetic change* that > changes no behavior. Nope, GCC5 currently only builds on GCC _6_ and newer, since we don't specify -std=c++11. Which makes this discussion even more ridiculous IMO. -- Rebecca Cran