From: "Laszlo Ersek" <lersek@redhat.com>
To: "Desimone, Nathaniel L" <nathaniel.l.desimone@intel.com>
Cc: "discuss@edk2.groups.io" <discuss@edk2.groups.io>,
cadenkline9@gmail.com,
edk2-devel-groups-io <devel@edk2.groups.io>,
"Ard Biesheuvel (TianoCore)" <ardb+tianocore@kernel.org>,
"Leif Lindholm (Nuvia address)" <leif@nuviainc.com>
Subject: Re: [edk2-discuss] Google Summer of Code Interested Student
Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2021 16:23:45 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <3d466515-7d65-9abe-3609-d0298c1b245b@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <MWHPR1101MB21608C8FB9A8ECA3A86F11ABCD6E9@MWHPR1101MB2160.namprd11.prod.outlook.com>
Hi Nate,
(adding Leif and Ard)
On 03/13/21 03:52, Desimone, Nathaniel L wrote:
> I've created a new wiki page for this task with all the information I
> have gathered thus far. I've done some more experimentation and found
> that there are several newer terminal emulators that don't support
> DEC Special Graphics so I've reduced the number of modes where DEC
> Special Graphics should be preferred. Laszlo, if you could take a
> look at the terminal type matrix I created that would be very
> helpful.
>
> https://github.com/tianocore/tianocore.github.io/wiki/Tasks-Terminal-driver-improvements
(
My background:
I settled on plain (non-UTF-8) xterm around 1998, and have been using it
ever since. Whenever something was off, I always tried to hammer the
application into conformance with my particular xterm setup, rather than
the other way around. I also have some quirky terminal settings -- for
me, "backspace" generates ^H / keycode 22 (stty sets erase to ^H),
"delete" generates keycode 119, and there's no "rubout". I still don't
use UTF-8 (I use latin2).
)
* Regarding ArmVirtPkg, I stick with the default TTY_TERMINAL=FALSE
setting (which means VT-100). Using that setting, I see the following
kind of "ASCII approximation" for box drawing:
/------------------------------------------------------------------------------\
| Boot Manager |
\------------------------------------------------------------------------------/
I'm really happy with this, as I don't care much for nice-looking
boxes; instead I prefer portability.
(NB: this seems to disagree with your "Current Behavior (Which is
wrong)" line for VT100, as it suggests CP437. That's not what I'm
seeing with VT100.)
TTY_TERMINAL=TRUE would mainly affect backspace / delete I think -- as
far as I recall, that's why I asked Roy not to make TTY_TERMINAL=TRUE
the default, in 2015:
http://mid.mail-archive.com/555458DB.3090602@redhat.com
http://mid.mail-archive.com/CAFECyb_E+bGZt5xv7QhRqyD0jX=AzoEMw7VW_tjZr+E=sQf8ww@mail.gmail.com
(I'd like to CC Roy, but I can't tell if he's now working for Linaro,
Cavium, HPE, Marvell, or another company.)
* Regarding OvmfPkg, currently PC_ANSI is hard-coded, and for me it
looks like this:
ÚÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄż
ł Boot Manager ł
ŔÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄŮ
Obviously I'd much prefer if I got the simple ASCII approximation here
as well.
* Whether VT100 and/or PC_ANSI and/or TTY_TERM are *officially* supposed
to use DEC Special Graphics, I can't tell.
I know what my preferences are:
- the current BackSpace and Delete mappings (which work fine for me
with both VT100 and PC_ANSI, but *not* with TTY_TERM),
- and the most primitive ASCII mapping (no special graphics, no UTF-8
sequences, etc). I really like a super dumb terminal, where taking
simple "ASCII screenshots" (and pasting them into plaintext emails!)
is *trivial*.
... Looking at your "Expected Behavior" table, there is only one line
left with "poor man's ASCII" -- namely, TTY_TERM. Unfortunately,
TTY_TERM breaks my BackSpace / Delete settings :(
* In summary, I'd prefer if (a) VT100 stayed as-is (using "poor man's
ASCII", as seen in ArmVirtPkg), and (b) if OVMF used *that* VT100,
rather than PC_ANSI, by default.
Thanks!
Laszlo
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[not found] ` <848a0cdb-accf-5b7c-df59-65a806ea14a7@redhat.com>
2021-03-12 5:45 ` [edk2-discuss] Google Summer of Code Interested Student Nate DeSimone
2021-03-12 18:51 ` Laszlo Ersek
2021-03-13 2:52 ` Nate DeSimone
[not found] ` <166B8219924C8DCE.3757@groups.io>
2021-03-13 2:52 ` Nate DeSimone
2021-03-16 15:23 ` Laszlo Ersek [this message]
2021-03-16 23:25 ` Nate DeSimone
2021-03-17 17:14 ` Laszlo Ersek
2021-03-17 12:02 ` Leif Lindholm
2021-03-17 16:00 ` [edk2-devel] " Andrew Fish
2021-03-22 18:31 ` Nate DeSimone
2021-03-22 23:07 ` Andrew Fish
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