From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Authentication-Results: mx.groups.io; dkim=pass header.i=@infradead.org header.s=merlin.20170209 header.b=HS8HGjXa; spf=none, err=permanent DNS error (domain: merlin.srs.infradead.org, ip: 205.233.59.134, mailfrom: batv+4a5a9edcbe01b6acb2b7+5785+infradead.org+dwmw2@merlin.srs.infradead.org) Received: from merlin.infradead.org (merlin.infradead.org [205.233.59.134]) by groups.io with SMTP; Wed, 26 Jun 2019 05:33:14 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=infradead.org; s=merlin.20170209; h=Mime-Version:Content-Type:References: In-Reply-To:Date:To:From:Subject:Message-ID:Sender:Reply-To:Cc: Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-ID:Content-Description:Resent-Date: Resent-From:Resent-Sender:Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID:List-Id: List-Help:List-Unsubscribe:List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=aMKeHhSVGXEAR7Bp+VBnwJJCyMwOkz3LNgCLyBY63ck=; b=HS8HGjXai55b0Mb6BqjdhL6iK +nX2lxlCA8lKsYmB4ww8NyZUJqnlhWmhxgVdF+HRGtNt13wyhSvbvQ2lZLqAzVqi78wF3gdmaffMk jqQg69lxAt3qC/DkfWVyFtemKHiqynr3jsPJKHFl+ui44Q/N9dTmTLZkn+vZkHd+5RXrWgtrxrMCQ 3lX01dJmPha79DbFIlaa3mpvyMrKellvyOUU+Ttyl3HoApboa08ONBNRS2VL3iIqdaPL+HGqnRB7P V4gElSSaFxNpmmRiEWAARsVco1F82KVFVTRp1xtBzeKYuNAa0uQE3+TtR6iXUeF0qM3UyuCthozbn v+m/+SbSw==; Received: from [54.239.6.177] (helo=vpn-10-85-89-27.fra53.corp.amazon.com) by merlin.infradead.org with esmtpsa (Exim 4.92 #3 (Red Hat Linux)) id 1hg76v-0006qc-F0; Wed, 26 Jun 2019 12:33:13 +0000 Message-ID: <3e5e44e2c2714ddf0aeb604023ae6ad07b789583.camel@infradead.org> Subject: Re: [edk2-devel] [PATCH v3 0/4] OvmfPkg: CSM boot fixes From: "David Woodhouse" To: devel@edk2.groups.io, lersek@redhat.com Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2019 13:33:12 +0100 In-Reply-To: References: <15ABBC9A305FBCEC.16820@groups.io> <536d4b904ecc507b84eaefd8c34510e72e38ec67.camel@infradead.org> X-Mailer: Evolution 3.28.5-0ubuntu0.18.04.1 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-SRS-Rewrite: SMTP reverse-path rewritten from by merlin.infradead.org. See http://www.infradead.org/rpr.html X-Groupsio-MsgNum: 42892 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg="sha-256"; protocol="application/x-pkcs7-signature"; boundary="=-D1ln356lf/V49uePQJ+G" --=-D1ln356lf/V49uePQJ+G Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, 2019-06-26 at 14:18 +0200, Laszlo Ersek wrote: >=20 > Yes, it can be turned off. It is a common hiccup for new subscribers > (the groups.io default is broken). I think we meant to document it > somewhere (outside of the mailing list archive), and I guess we may have > even done so, but currently a non-list reference escapes me. >=20 > Anyway, please see the attached messages -- and then please log in to > your groups.io account, locate >=20 > Account > Preferences > Email Preferences > My Posts > I always want copies of my own emails >=20 > and *uncheck* it. Thanks. > Because, in reality, that checkbox stands for "munge my Message-IDs so > that GMail doesn't de-duplicate my own emails when the list reflects > them to me". But, two wrongs don't make a right :/ Wow, this is just completely brain-damaged on so many levels. So people who do, and who don't, have that box checked will receive the same message with *different* Message-Id: headers? If one of them replies, the In-Reply-To: threading header in their reply will refer to a message that *doesn't* exist in the other person's mailbox. This kind of explains why threading was so broken for messages on the list, with some response getting 'lost' because they were detached from the thread. This does not facilitate effective communication. Did nobody at groups.io ever stop and think this through? Can it really not be turned off for the whole list? Why on earth did we move the list to somewhere that can't even get the *basics* right? 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