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From: "Laszlo Ersek" <lersek@redhat.com>
To: Michael Brown <mcb30@ipxe.org>, devel@edk2.groups.io, kraxel@redhat.com
Cc: Oliver Steffen <osteffen@redhat.com>,
	Pawel Polawski <ppolawsk@redhat.com>,
	Jiewen Yao <jiewen.yao@intel.com>,
	Ard Biesheuvel <ardb+tianocore@kernel.org>,
	Jordan Justen <jordan.l.justen@intel.com>
Subject: Re: [edk2-devel] [PATCH v2 1/1] OvmfPkg/NestedInterruptTplLib: replace ASSERT() with a warning logged.
Date: Mon, 8 May 2023 08:38:51 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <476bbc17-6484-9afd-9be9-08de14d1d72e@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <01020187ee3d92cc-eb212c44-2e49-4ca2-992c-a2d7d3b03f6f-000000@eu-west-1.amazonses.com>

On 5/6/23 01:27, Michael Brown wrote:
> On 05/05/2023 19:56, Laszlo Ersek wrote:
>> I don't like the patch. For two reasons:
>>
>> (1) It papers over the actual issue. The problem should be fixed where
>> it is, if possible.
> 
> Agreed, but (as you have shown in
> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2189136) the bug lies in
> Windows code rather than in EDK2 code.  If the goal is to allow these
> buggy Windows builds to still be used with OVMF, then the only option is
> to paper over the issue.  We should do this only if it can be proven
> safe to do so, of course.
> 
>> (2) With the patch applied, NestedInterruptRaiseTPL() can return
>> TPL_HIGH_LEVEL (as "InterruptedTPL"). Consequently,
>> TimerInterruptHandler() [OvmfPkg/LocalApicTimerDxe/LocalApicTimerDxe.c]
>> may pass TPL_HIGH_LEVEL back to NestedInterruptRestoreTPL(), as
>> "InterruptedTPL".
>>
>> I believe that this in turn may invalidate at least one comment in
>> NestedInterruptRestoreTPL():
>>
>>      //
>>      // Call RestoreTPL() to allow event notifications to be
>>      // dispatched.  This will implicitly re-enable interrupts.
>>      //
>>      gBS->RestoreTPL (InterruptedTPL);
>>
>> Restoring TPL_HIGH_LEVEL does not re-enable interrupts -- nominally
>> anyways.
> 
> I agree that the comment is invalidated, but as far as I can tell the
> logic remains safe.
> 
> I will put together a patch to update the comments in
> NestedInterruptTplLib to address the possibility of an interrupt
> occurring (illegally) at TPL_HIGH_LEVEL.
> 
>> (a) Make LocalApicTimerDxe Xen-specific again. It's only the OVMF Xen
>> platform that really *needs* NestedInterruptTplLib. (Don't get me wrong:
>> NestedInterruptTplLib is technically correct in all circumstances, but
>> in practice it happens to be too strict.)
>>
>> (b) For the non-Xen OVMF platforms, re-create a LocalApicTimerDxe
>> variant that effectively has commits a086f4a63bc0 and a24fbd606125
>> reverted. (We should keep 9bf473da4c1d.) This returns us to
>> pre-239b50a86370 status -- that is, a timer interrupt handler that (a)
>> does not try to be smart about nested interrupts, therefore one that is
>> much simpler, and (b) is more tolerant of the Windows / cdboot.efi spec
>> violation, (c) is vulnerable to the timer interrupt storm seen on Xen,
>> but will never run on Xen. (Only the OVMF Xen platform is supposed to be
>> launched on Xen.)
> 
> I'm less keen on this because it reduces the runtime exposure of a very
> complex piece of code, and will effectively cause that code to become
> unmaintained.
> 
> It's also satisfying (to me) that NestedInterruptTplLib provides a
> provable upper bound on stack consumption due to interrupts, which can't
> be guaranteed by the simpler pre-239b50a86370 scheme.
> 
> Could we defer judgement until after I've fully reasoned through (and
> documented) how NestedInterruptTplLib will work in the presence of
> interrupts occurring at TPL_HIGH_LEVEL?

Sure, absolutely!

As I wrote elsewhere: if you can revalidate the code with a new, less
strict set of invariants, and update the comments, I think that would be
the perfect workaround.

Thank you,
Laszlo


  parent reply	other threads:[~2023-05-08  6:38 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 18+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-05-03  7:19 [PATCH v2 1/1] OvmfPkg/NestedInterruptTplLib: replace ASSERT() with a warning logged Gerd Hoffmann
2023-05-05 14:10 ` [edk2-devel] " Michael Brown
2023-05-05 18:56   ` Laszlo Ersek
2023-05-05 23:27     ` Michael Brown
2023-05-05 23:57       ` Ard Biesheuvel
2023-05-08  6:45         ` Laszlo Ersek
2023-05-09  9:13           ` Ard Biesheuvel
2023-05-08  6:38       ` Laszlo Ersek [this message]
2023-05-08 21:31         ` [PATCH 0/2] OvmfPkg: Relax assertion that interrupts do not occur at TPL_HIGH_LEVEL Michael Brown
2023-05-09  7:05           ` Gerd Hoffmann
2023-05-09  8:43           ` Laszlo Ersek
2023-05-09 12:08             ` [edk2-devel] " Michael Brown
2023-05-09 13:27               ` Laszlo Ersek
     [not found]         ` <20230508213100.3949708-1-mcb30@ipxe.org>
2023-05-08 21:31           ` [PATCH 1/2] OvmfPkg: Clarify invariants for NestedInterruptTplLib Michael Brown
2023-05-08 21:31           ` [PATCH 2/2] OvmfPkg: Relax assertion that interrupts do not occur at TPL_HIGH_LEVEL Michael Brown
2023-05-09  8:35             ` Laszlo Ersek
2023-05-09  9:42               ` Gerd Hoffmann
2023-05-09 12:04               ` [edk2-devel] " Michael Brown

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