From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from us-smtp-delivery-124.mimecast.com (us-smtp-delivery-124.mimecast.com [216.205.24.124]) by mx.groups.io with SMTP id smtpd.web12.33870.1620049855391214355 for ; Mon, 03 May 2021 06:50:55 -0700 Authentication-Results: mx.groups.io; dkim=pass header.i=@redhat.com header.s=mimecast20190719 header.b=hobGdh8L; spf=pass (domain: redhat.com, ip: 216.205.24.124, mailfrom: lersek@redhat.com) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=redhat.com; s=mimecast20190719; t=1620049854; h=from:from:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date:message-id:message-id: to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version:content-type:content-type: content-transfer-encoding:content-transfer-encoding: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references; bh=rwy1JOqjPEiv6Z7Hxs7y0khTQd9Dqr9E0rwJ+W8/y6o=; b=hobGdh8LeU62bpxsmWRr/r2vC5eLStoq7IhPXJ2AJvH8n9CVAW91ofrTtylzTABg24xDnX s6QeHPOdtgPqSw5Y47hImb7A+aJTVEdfzmyQviiCUy+WuF8a+NzwwP0AILoR4TKV5W/meJ XKr9irhZhvShscozg4+z0i9x7a6Szws= Received: from mimecast-mx01.redhat.com (mimecast-mx01.redhat.com [209.132.183.4]) (Using TLS) by relay.mimecast.com with ESMTP id us-mta-421-yg1GSnz1NL-auqvVIcCV-g-1; Mon, 03 May 2021 09:50:50 -0400 X-MC-Unique: yg1GSnz1NL-auqvVIcCV-g-1 Received: from smtp.corp.redhat.com (int-mx05.intmail.prod.int.phx2.redhat.com [10.5.11.15]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mimecast-mx01.redhat.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1EE1118B6142; Mon, 3 May 2021 13:50:49 +0000 (UTC) Received: from lacos-laptop-7.usersys.redhat.com (ovpn-114-8.ams2.redhat.com [10.36.114.8]) by smtp.corp.redhat.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C81CC5D730; Mon, 3 May 2021 13:50:46 +0000 (UTC) Subject: Re: [edk2-devel] [PATCH RFC v2 03/28] MdePkg: Define the GHCB GPA structure To: Brijesh Singh , devel@edk2.groups.io Cc: James Bottomley , Min Xu , Jiewen Yao , Tom Lendacky , Jordan Justen , Ard Biesheuvel , Erdem Aktas References: <20210430115148.22267-1-brijesh.singh@amd.com> <20210430115148.22267-4-brijesh.singh@amd.com> From: "Laszlo Ersek" Message-ID: <9a880649-bd19-589d-464e-f3cf54bebc3e@redhat.com> Date: Mon, 3 May 2021 15:50:45 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.79 on 10.5.11.15 Authentication-Results: relay.mimecast.com; auth=pass smtp.auth=CUSA124A263 smtp.mailfrom=lersek@redhat.com X-Mimecast-Spam-Score: 0 X-Mimecast-Originator: redhat.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On 05/03/21 14:55, Brijesh Singh wrote: > > On 5/3/21 7:19 AM, Laszlo Ersek wrote: >> On 05/03/21 12:24, Laszlo Ersek wrote: >>> On 04/30/21 13:51, Brijesh Singh wrote: >>>> BZ: https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fbugzilla.tianocore.org%2Fshow_bug.cgi%3Fid%3D3275&data=04%7C01%7Cbrijesh.singh%40amd.com%7C9eac9a93753d403dcc4d08d90e2dbcb5%7C3dd8961fe4884e608e11a82d994e183d%7C0%7C0%7C637556411874265560%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=eNafEGfhCMOkOboQOJnxq8Rw%2BOTuvAUGIziDuELV8%2Bk%3D&reserved=0 >>>> >>>> An SEV-SNP guest is required to perform the GHCB GPA registration. See >>>> the GHCB specification for further details. >>>> >>>> Cc: James Bottomley >>>> Cc: Min Xu >>>> Cc: Jiewen Yao >>>> Cc: Tom Lendacky >>>> Cc: Jordan Justen >>>> Cc: Ard Biesheuvel >>>> Cc: Laszlo Ersek >>>> Cc: Erdem Aktas >>>> Signed-off-by: Brijesh Singh >>>> --- >>>> MdePkg/Include/Register/Amd/Fam17Msr.h | 7 +++++++ >>>> 1 file changed, 7 insertions(+) >>>> >>>> diff --git a/MdePkg/Include/Register/Amd/Fam17Msr.h b/MdePkg/Include/Register/Amd/Fam17Msr.h >>>> index a65d51ab12..e19bd04b6c 100644 >>>> --- a/MdePkg/Include/Register/Amd/Fam17Msr.h >>>> +++ b/MdePkg/Include/Register/Amd/Fam17Msr.h >>>> @@ -53,6 +53,11 @@ typedef union { >>>> UINT64 Features:52; >>>> } GhcbHypervisorFeatures; >>>> >>>> + struct { >>>> + UINT64 Function:12; >>>> + UINT64 GuestFrameNumber:52; >>>> + } GhcbGpaRegister; >>>> + >>>> VOID *Ghcb; >>>> >>>> UINT64 GhcbPhysicalAddress; >>>> @@ -62,6 +67,8 @@ typedef union { >>>> #define GHCB_INFO_SEV_INFO_GET 2 >>>> #define GHCB_INFO_CPUID_REQUEST 4 >>>> #define GHCB_INFO_CPUID_RESPONSE 5 >>>> +#define GHCB_INFO_GHCB_GPA_REGISTER_REQUEST 18 >>>> +#define GHCB_INFO_GHCB_GPA_REGISTER_RESPONSE 19 >>>> #define GHCB_HYPERVISOR_FEATURES_REQUEST 128 >>>> #define GHCB_HYPERVISOR_FEATURES_RESPONSE 129 >>>> #define GHCB_INFO_TERMINATE_REQUEST 256 >>>> >>> The number match the spec (2.0), but I have some remarks / questions. >>> >>> (1) Patch #2 (SVM_EXIT_HYPERVISOR_FEATURES) and this patch >>> (GHCB_INFO_GHCB_GPA_REGISTER_REQUEST) break the nice alignments of the >>> macro values (replacement texts) in both header files. Can you prepend a >>> whitespace-only patch that simply moves the affected "columns" to the >>> right far enough? > > Sure, do you want me to the post after all the new VMGEXIT's are defined ? Optimally, you should please look at the header file at the end of the series, and determine the new starting *character* column for the macro replacement texts. Then, at the very beginning of the series, pad everything to that column. This way, you only need to adjust the whitespace once (every macro addition will then fit nicely in place later on), and whenever you add a new macro, it will already have the final amount of whitespace needed. > > >>> >>> (2) I've checked section 2.3.2 "GHCB GPA Registration" in the spec >>> (2.0). What is the specific risk of allowing a guest to switch from one >>> GHCB address to another? > > The GHCB is a shared page, there is no risk to switch from one page to > another. This feature is designed to simplify some of the hypervisor > implementation. Since the GHCB is accessed on every vmgexit, a > hypervisor may prefer to create a map during the registration and refer > the map instead of creating a new mapping on every vmgexit. OK. So my comment in return is not for the patch set, but the spec: I think this motivation should be highlighted in the spec. "Some hypervisors may prefer" is vague. Prefer that for what? "Simplicity of implementation" is a good answer (eliminate new mappings on every exit), but it should be explained (perhaps in informative / non-normative text). > > >>> >>> (3) It seems strange to expect that a guest stick with a particular GHCB >>> address for its entire lifetime (including firmware and OS) -- in fact >>> OVMF already uses multiple GHCB addresses. The spec does not explain how >>> the guest can "unlock" (de-register) a registered GHCB address. >>> Furthermore, if a guest can do that *at all* (which I think it must -- >>> we're already using different GHCB addresses between SEC and DXE, for >>> example), then what protection does the *temporary* locking of the GHCB >>> address provide? > > The spec does not force that GHCB should *never* change once registered. > It says that before switching to new GHCB page, the guest must register > the page. As you rightly said that OVMF uses multiple GHCBs from SEC to > DXE. There is no unregister, registering a new GHCB is a hint to > hypervisor that it should drop the old GHCB mapping. The GHCB > registration is not a PSP function, and are not designed to mitigate a > security exploits. It is purely a hypevisor virtualized feature. Yes, very reasonable; it's a new "paravirt op" basically, where the guest provides additional info to the hypervisor, for performance optimization (or simplicity of code / implementation). That motivation should be clarified. > > >>> I'll stop reviewing here, because I think I need to understand your >>> answers. I'd like to have a rudimentary mental basis for reviewing the rest. >> ... interestingly, with reference to my question (2) under patch "RFC v2 >> 02/28", the GHCB GPA registration function is one that can *only* be >> performed with the GHCB MSR protocol, and not through the GHCB page. >> >> So that shows that the MSR protocol's functions cannot be considered a >> pure subset of the GHCB page's functions. If >> SVM_EXIT_HYPERVISOR_FEATURES didn't exist (and the same function would >> only be accessible via GHCB_HYPERVISOR_FEATURES_REQUEST), then no >> "larger principle" would be damaged. > > That is correct, not every exit have both MSR and non MSR protocol based > vmgexit. It seems that during the spec review no other HV vendor saw the > need for non-MSR based exit. Certainly, I don't see a need for it in KVM > and can't comment on other HV ;) I think a general comment that there's no intent to make either access method a subset of the other could be helpful. Personally I don't mind if an interface spec grows organically (i.e. if something is not specified because people have never needed it). I just didn't know what to expect. Also, I'm sorry that I'm looking at the new version(s) of the spec only now. I can usually deal with abstract interfaces only when there's code and actual use cases. Thanks Laszlo > > >> >> Thanks >> Laszlo >> >