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From: "Rebecca Cran" <rebecca@bsdio.com>
To: Laszlo Ersek <lersek@redhat.com>
Cc: devel@edk2.groups.io, spbrogan@outlook.com, bob.c.feng@intel.com,
	Jordan Justen <jordan.l.justen@intel.com>,
	Andrew Fish <afish@apple.com>, Ray Ni <ray.ni@intel.com>,
	Michael Kinney <michael.d.kinney@intel.com>
Subject: Re: [edk2-devel] [Patch 1/1] EmulatorPkg/PlatformCI: stick with "ubuntu-18.04" for now
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2021 13:20:19 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <9f9d69b7-7d57-3cd3-b4ca-417d3120c494@bsdio.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1658569DBC96D253.25961@groups.io>

Well, at least Github have said they will only support LTS versions, so 
we'll only run into problems every couple of years with ubuntu-latest.

-- 
Rebecca Cran

On 1/8/21 11:54 AM, Rebecca Cran wrote:
> Given they still support Ubuntu 16.04 
> (https://github.com/actions/virtual-environments 
> <https://github.com/actions/virtual-environments>), I suspect 18.04 will 
> be supported until the upstream EOL in 2023.
> 
> —
> Rebeca Cran
> 
>> On Jan 8, 2021, at 11:35 AM, Laszlo Ersek <lersek@redhat.com> wrote:
>>
>> On 01/08/21 19:14, Rebecca Cran wrote:
>>> On 1/8/21 11:01 AM, Sean wrote:
>>>
>>>> Question to the community (especially those using a Linux environment)
>>>> is what priority should it be to go resolve these and update CI to run
>>>> on Ubuntu 20.04?  General premise is we should stay current without
>>>> being bleeding edge but I want to understand other perspectives.
>>>
>>> From previous discussions, it sounds like we did want to be on the
>>> bleeding edge - which I personally think is a bad idea, since breaking
>>> changes can come in at the worst time.
>>>
>>> Instead, we should stay on a stable release but watch out for newer
>>> versions and move forward to them after applying any fixes.
>>>
>>
>> I'm all for sticking with stable artifacts, but:
>>
>> - we don't know *how long* the github.com/actions organization intends
>> to support the 18.04 LTS image
>>
>> - the breakage with 20.04 LTS indeed hit us at a bad time, but at least
>> we had something to fall back to. If we switch to the oldest supported
>> VM image, as a permanent choice, then, when that image loses support,
>> we'll only be able to escape *forward* -- and *that* is an even worse
>> experience.
>>
>> It's always the same problem -- production users always want *someone
>> else* to test out the new release for them.
>>
>> Instead, what I would really welcome here is if we exempted edk2 patches
>> that tweaked the CI configuration from the usual patch review process.
>> Delaying an actual edk2 patch because its review is not complete --
>> that's fine, that's how development works. On the other hand, blocking
>> the *merging* of an otherwise reviewed patch, just because the CI system
>> is broken again, is an *outrage*. Having to submit *further patches to
>> review* -- this time for the CI config itself --, in order to mitigate
>> the CI breakage, is a completely broken workflow.
>>
>> Laszlo
>>
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 



  parent reply	other threads:[~2021-01-08 20:20 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 12+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2020-12-21  3:19 [Patch 1/1] EmulatorPkg/PlatformCI: stick with "ubuntu-18.04" for now Bob Feng
2020-12-21 13:47 ` [edk2-devel] " Laszlo Ersek
2020-12-21 14:05   ` Laszlo Ersek
2020-12-21 14:53 ` Laszlo Ersek
2020-12-22  0:04   ` Bob Feng
2021-01-08 18:01   ` Sean
2021-01-08 18:14     ` Rebecca Cran
2021-01-08 18:34       ` Laszlo Ersek
2021-01-08 18:54         ` Rebecca Cran
     [not found]         ` <1658569DBC96D253.25961@groups.io>
2021-01-08 20:20           ` Rebecca Cran [this message]
2021-01-11  8:24             ` Laszlo Ersek
2021-01-08 18:21     ` Laszlo Ersek

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