From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail02.groups.io (mail02.groups.io [66.175.222.108]) by spool.mail.gandi.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 42281D81111 for ; Thu, 4 Apr 2024 15:21:49 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha256; bh=PmJFcPsSdPYoKYnlD/YZb4mcnUoEp4hB3wsF4tALtRs=; c=relaxed/simple; d=groups.io; h=MIME-Version:References:In-Reply-To:From:Date:Message-ID:Subject:To:Cc:Precedence:List-Subscribe:List-Help:Sender:List-Id:Mailing-List:Delivered-To:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Reply-To:List-Unsubscribe-Post:List-Unsubscribe:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; s=20240206; t=1712244107; v=1; b=DDZuIw4+1ia9qwhjTcUbgxtHSPSo4vyfLuc5Q1ppFsSNCXbCBxCzgOewwq0FAMLeDQTTCV/G jm5o6g+K/OnULoz26UNhFbLWJMps5rx22ZFVs5/EdFInf2kYi9YYpo0s5LoL/kZ0UtsoAubgJ+c 7uaeOijn/wi2IE8Qm/HvGaY5Qkq4A8uzGSIOUf0YjaJXuhTi/nRiCCI2s8BtbE7Zr5a5F/9SbvF h+R9QtYtxapxI/ZYwAOUS9lXs7azuyJh49j9jMPExyEAVqXo4OdttaigmGjgUhj/UdoFmPR2+u8 vzkgdDHX012gBXnritNx78cX4BJ3H712KeUbO0xcA8iAg== X-Received: by 127.0.0.2 with SMTP id DaiaYY7687511xdUpynvA3at; Thu, 04 Apr 2024 08:21:47 -0700 X-Received: from mail-ua1-f52.google.com (mail-ua1-f52.google.com [209.85.222.52]) by mx.groups.io with SMTP id smtpd.web11.41066.1712244107167738105 for ; Thu, 04 Apr 2024 08:21:47 -0700 X-Received: by mail-ua1-f52.google.com with SMTP id a1e0cc1a2514c-7e3555015a8so388403241.3 for ; Thu, 04 Apr 2024 08:21:47 -0700 (PDT) X-Gm-Message-State: pMhUWYWprwce3ZVxaQviles3x7686176AA= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGHT+IFU8EBY/g9WfLaGK+B7yo6C48U511d91xATKzXbqRR9WRZhuKVfrCR2tpn30AvIX8fa1EyqzF99pIOzNiDKuz0= X-Received: by 2002:a1f:ee4d:0:b0:4c9:2540:8520 with SMTP id m74-20020a1fee4d000000b004c925408520mr2299170vkh.1.1712244104186; Thu, 04 Apr 2024 08:21:44 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <09a5f512-53c9-4c5e-8497-3df1f0f40399@linux.microsoft.com> In-Reply-To: <09a5f512-53c9-4c5e-8497-3df1f0f40399@linux.microsoft.com> From: "Pedro Falcato" Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2024 16:21:33 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [edk2-devel] Call or topics for April TianoCore Community Meeting To: devel@edk2.groups.io, osde@linux.microsoft.com Cc: michael.d.kinney@intel.com, Ard Biesheuvel Precedence: Bulk List-Subscribe: List-Help: Sender: devel@edk2.groups.io List-Id: Mailing-List: list devel@edk2.groups.io; contact devel+owner@edk2.groups.io Resent-Date: Thu, 04 Apr 2024 08:21:47 -0700 Resent-From: pedro.falcato@gmail.com Reply-To: devel@edk2.groups.io,pedro.falcato@gmail.com List-Unsubscribe-Post: List-Unsubscribe=One-Click List-Unsubscribe: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-GND-Status: LEGIT Authentication-Results: spool.mail.gandi.net; dkim=pass header.d=groups.io header.s=20240206 header.b=DDZuIw4+; spf=pass (spool.mail.gandi.net: domain of bounce@groups.io designates 66.175.222.108 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=bounce@groups.io; dmarc=fail reason="SPF not aligned (relaxed), DKIM not aligned (relaxed)" header.from=gmail.com (policy=none) On Wed, Apr 3, 2024 at 11:02=E2=80=AFPM Oliver Smith-Denny wrote: > > On 4/3/2024 1:38 PM, Michael D Kinney wrote: > > Hi Oliver, > > > > I missed this response. Did not show up in thread for some reason. > > No worries. > > > > > But we can continue these topics on email. > > > > The TianoCore roles and responsibilities are documented here: > > > > https://github.com/tianocore/tianocore.github.io/wiki/TianoCore-W= ho-we-are > > > > If there are maintainers are not following their responsibilities, then > > please let us know and we can work together to find additional maintain= ers. > > Thanks, as I've mentioned in several of my last patches to MdeModulePkg, > I think we need an additional top level maintainer there who is > currently active. Liming has obviously been a huge part of edk2, but has > many roles and has been quiet on MdeModulePkg patches for over a month. > His input is greatly valued, but it seems he could use some help > maintaining the package so we can keep up developer flow, I had multiple > patches that contained items such as fixes for UEFI spec violations and > boot breaks that were sitting with multiple reviews that were not > getting the maintainer review and merging in. We had a long discussion about this in this thread: https://openfw.io/edk2-devel/CAKbZUD2TVXojT84gb6V89O7eFOAswyPG25i19YCnNfPFt= 0qeag@mail.gmail.com/ IIRC all it did was get Laszlo to do the lord's work for a few months, but now he's gone :) FWIW: I've been around for ~3 years, and maintainer response times (for these "main" packages) have been *long* for those 3 years. As far as I've heard, they've been awful for a lot longer, but I can't vouch for that. I'd suppose they'll continue to be high as long as upstream EDK2 plays second or third fiddle to other firmware branches. Personally, I have multiple patches out there with significant QoL improvements that were simply ghosted, and I CBA to keep resending them (nor do I care). > > I think it would be very valuable to have a second MdeModulePkg top > level maintainer in any case, this covers areas such as DxeCore that > are some of the most central and complex parts of the code base and > bugs there need immediate resolution. > > I don't want to put him on the spot, but I would be tempted to > nominate Ard, if he wants the added responsibility, as he is very > knowledgeable in UEFI and one of the few people who actively reviews > patches closely and timely. If he does not want the additional > maintenance burden, then I would ask the stewards to help find > a community member to take on this role with Liming. > > > > > There is not much progress on PR process. We need resources to work on= the > > list of action items documented here: > > > > https://github.com/orgs/tianocore/projects/5 > > Thanks for this pointer, I know the majority of active community > members report in many different forums that moving to PRs is > critical and I am confident that as a community we can make this > happen. It'd be nice (over this weird hybrid system of email + PR), but I'm really not sure if it's critical. Email-based submission *works* (even with all the Outlook awfulness some people have to go through), which is why I've been resistant to adopting the same confusing hybrid system of email patches + PR + the push tag (and then the CI flakes, or uncrustify thinks my code is slightly misformatted even though I used a slightly older uncrustify) to edk2-platforms. --=20 Pedro -=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D- Groups.io Links: You receive all messages sent to this group. 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