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From: "Ard Biesheuvel" <ardb@kernel.org>
To: Rebecca Cran <rebecca@bsdio.com>
Cc: Pedro Falcato <pedro.falcato@gmail.com>,
	 "Kinney, Michael D" <michael.d.kinney@intel.com>,
	"devel@edk2.groups.io" <devel@edk2.groups.io>,
	 Leif Lindholm <quic_llindhol@quicinc.com>,
	"Gao, Liming" <gaoliming@byosoft.com.cn>,
	 Oliver Smith-Denny <osd@smith-denny.com>,
	"Jiang, Guomin" <guomin.jiang@intel.com>,
	 "Lu, Xiaoyu1" <xiaoyu1.lu@intel.com>,
	"Wang, Jian J" <jian.j.wang@intel.com>,
	 "Yao, Jiewen" <jiewen.yao@intel.com>,
	Ard Biesheuvel <ardb+tianocore@kernel.org>,
	 "Justen, Jordan L" <jordan.l.justen@intel.com>,
	Gerd Hoffmann <kraxel@redhat.com>,
	 "Feng, Bob C" <bob.c.feng@intel.com>,
	Andrew Fish <afish@apple.com>
Subject: Re: 回复: 回复: [edk2-devel] [PATCH v2 00/13] BaseTools,CryptoPkg,MdePkg,OvmfPkg: Delete CLANG35,CLANG38,GCC48,GCC49, rename GCC5 to GCC, update CLANGDWARF, delete VS 2008-2013, EBC
Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2023 20:26:47 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAMj1kXFJp1huYi2LmwiQFypsEwhJ0mdo-KR04=wPmKtH-WPLBw@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <2a83219e-0518-6929-3be2-9b250b9a9b06@bsdio.com>

On Tue, 4 Apr 2023 at 20:03, Rebecca Cran <rebecca@bsdio.com> wrote:
>
>
> On 4/4/23 11:57 AM, Pedro Falcato wrote:
> > On Tue, Apr 4, 2023 at 6:52 PM Kinney, Michael D
> > <michael.d.kinney@intel.com> wrote:
> >> I see value in adding a new name.
> >>
> >> I see no value in a non-backwards compatible change to delete/rename a fully supported one.
> > As Leif said, you reduce all sorts of possible confusion.
> >
> > VS2013 builds only for Visual Studio 2013 tools, VS2017 does the same
> > for 2017, GCC5 meanwhile builds on anything from (probably GCC 4.x,
> > since LTO, 2011) to GCC 13 (to be released soon, 2023).
> >
> > Surely downstreams can adapt to *this one cosmetic change* that
> > changes no behavior.
>
> Nope, GCC5 currently only builds on GCC _6_ and newer, since we don't
> specify -std=c++11. Which makes this discussion even more ridiculous IMO.
>
>

I agree with Mike here. 'GCC' does not exist today, so dropping GCC5
at the same time makes this a flag day change, which is never great.
Imagine having to bisect through that, and having to figure out at
each step whether to use GCC5 or GCC.

It's much better to have GCC5 and GCC co-exist for a little while,
even if the former only exists as an alias that is documented as being
obsolete and scheduled for removal.

-- 
Ard.

  reply	other threads:[~2023-04-04 18:27 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 68+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-03-28 17:30 [PATCH v2 00/13] BaseTools,CryptoPkg,MdePkg,OvmfPkg: Delete CLANG35,CLANG38,GCC48,GCC49, rename GCC5 to GCC, update CLANGDWARF, delete VS 2008-2013, EBC Rebecca Cran
2023-03-28 17:30 ` [PATCH v2 01/13] OvmfPkg: Replace static struct initialization with ZeroMem call Rebecca Cran
2023-03-28 22:40   ` Yao, Jiewen
2023-03-28 22:45     ` Michael D Kinney
2023-03-28 17:31 ` [PATCH v2 02/13] CryptoPkg: Add CLANGDWARF and remove CLANG35 and CLANG38 compiler flags Rebecca Cran
2023-03-28 17:31 ` [PATCH v2 03/13] BaseTools: Update CLANGDWARF toolchain and remove CLANG35 and CLANG38 Rebecca Cran
2023-03-29  3:46   ` [edk2-devel] " Guo, Gua
     [not found]   ` <1750C725F99FA0C2.29160@groups.io>
2023-03-29  9:24     ` Guo, Gua
2023-03-28 17:31 ` [PATCH v2 04/13] BaseTools: Remove VS2008, 2010, 2012 and 2013 toolchain definitions Rebecca Cran
2023-03-28 17:31 ` [PATCH v2 05/13] BaseTools: Remove VS2008-VS2013 remnants Rebecca Cran
2023-03-28 17:31 ` [PATCH v2 06/13] MdePkg: " Rebecca Cran
2023-03-28 17:31 ` [PATCH v2 07/13] edksetup.bat: " Rebecca Cran
2023-03-28 17:31 ` [PATCH v2 08/13] BaseTools: Remove unused IPHONE_TOOLS and SOURCERY_CYGWIN_TOOLS defs Rebecca Cran
2023-03-28 17:31 ` [PATCH v2 09/13] BaseTools: Remove EBC (EFI Byte Code) compiler definitions Rebecca Cran
2023-03-28 17:31 ` [PATCH v2 10/13] OvmfPkg: Use Xcode5 version of CpuExceptionHandlerLib for CLANGDWARF Rebecca Cran
2023-03-28 17:31 ` [PATCH v2 11/13] Delete GCC48 and GCC49 toolchains and rename GCC5 to GCC Rebecca Cran
2023-03-28 17:31 ` [PATCH v2 12/13] BaseTools: Remove unused CYGWIN_ defines from tools_def.txt.template Rebecca Cran
2023-03-28 17:31 ` [PATCH v2 13/13] Bump tools_def.txt VERSION to 3.0 Rebecca Cran
2023-03-28 17:57 ` [PATCH v2 00/13] BaseTools,CryptoPkg,MdePkg,OvmfPkg: Delete CLANG35,CLANG38,GCC48,GCC49, rename GCC5 to GCC, update CLANGDWARF, delete VS 2008-2013, EBC Ard Biesheuvel
2023-03-28 18:01   ` Rebecca Cran
2023-03-28 18:12     ` [edk2-devel] " Ard Biesheuvel
2023-03-29 10:21       ` Rebecca Cran
2023-03-29 10:30         ` Ard Biesheuvel
2023-03-29  1:19 ` 回复: " gaoliming
2023-03-29  7:39   ` Ard Biesheuvel
2023-03-29 10:20     ` Rebecca Cran
2023-03-29 11:28     ` Leif Lindholm
2023-03-29 11:53       ` Ard Biesheuvel
2023-04-02 15:41   ` 回复: " Rebecca Cran
2023-04-02 16:36     ` Ard Biesheuvel
2023-04-02 16:42       ` Michael D Kinney
2023-04-02 18:38     ` Pedro Falcato
2023-04-02 21:50       ` Rebecca Cran
2023-04-03 11:30         ` Gerd Hoffmann
2023-04-03 11:33           ` Rebecca Cran
2023-04-03 11:39             ` Gerd Hoffmann
2023-04-03 11:55               ` Ard Biesheuvel
2023-04-03 12:15                 ` Leif Lindholm
2023-04-03 12:26                   ` Rebecca Cran
2023-04-03 13:44                     ` Pedro Falcato
2023-04-03 13:54                       ` Rebecca Cran
2023-04-03 14:08                     ` Gerd Hoffmann
2023-04-03 14:27                       ` Rebecca Cran
2023-04-03 19:42                         ` Michael D Kinney
2023-04-03 19:54                           ` Rebecca Cran
2023-04-03 20:23                             ` Michael D Kinney
2023-04-03 13:04                   ` Ard Biesheuvel
2023-04-03 13:27                     ` Michael D Kinney
2023-04-03 13:43                       ` Ard Biesheuvel
2023-04-04  1:31         ` 回复: " gaoliming
2023-04-04 15:49           ` Rebecca Cran
2023-04-04 15:57             ` Pedro Falcato
2023-04-04 16:32               ` Leif Lindholm
2023-04-04 17:00                 ` Rebecca Cran
2023-04-04 17:45                   ` Michael D Kinney
2023-04-04 17:48                     ` Rebecca Cran
2023-04-04 17:52                       ` Michael D Kinney
2023-04-04 17:57                         ` Pedro Falcato
2023-04-04 18:03                           ` Rebecca Cran
2023-04-04 18:26                             ` Ard Biesheuvel [this message]
2023-04-04 18:29                             ` Michael D Kinney
2023-04-04 18:36                               ` Rebecca Cran
2023-04-05 10:21                                 ` Ard Biesheuvel
2023-04-06  0:57                                   ` 回复: " gaoliming
2023-04-06  2:49                                     ` Rebecca Cran
2023-04-06  7:32                                       ` Ard Biesheuvel
2023-04-06  9:19                               ` Marcin Juszkiewicz
2023-03-29 12:20 ` Ard Biesheuvel

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