From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from dfw.source.kernel.org (dfw.source.kernel.org [139.178.84.217]) by mx.groups.io with SMTP id smtpd.web11.110097.1680632821936418348 for ; Tue, 04 Apr 2023 11:27:02 -0700 Authentication-Results: mx.groups.io; dkim=pass header.i=@kernel.org header.s=k20201202 header.b=Tv6d59C8; spf=pass (domain: kernel.org, ip: 139.178.84.217, mailfrom: ardb@kernel.org) Received: from smtp.kernel.org (relay.kernel.org [52.25.139.140]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by dfw.source.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 663D163551 for ; Tue, 4 Apr 2023 18:27:01 +0000 (UTC) Received: by smtp.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id C777DC433EF for ; Tue, 4 Apr 2023 18:27:00 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=kernel.org; s=k20201202; t=1680632820; bh=Edv8JEMamfFfSsHyiXlayy5Dh4SThOggi49qNgUUWRA=; h=References:In-Reply-To:From:Date:Subject:To:Cc:From; b=Tv6d59C88r/QiyCULrwXeo+G7NSDR3kF0dJ0boA29XVC8Ra48kutOURefrEV13Nt1 ONzxMqLjglMdBm6QOPRRf2yq2ovDmvlAqHAO8cH7R5yvkSRXx5hOtxFyvFyaJ98kUu ks7RGdCpifybuZQ6dhSrOonR7nHRl57hlaf1u8d+RAut9UYxNfdK4OC6gtbjoFeSep ysIWBqSFFkbyhXxACtQYfKqNX0UODu1XS+vlzTgAdbcCmrkPvvMLxqzRbRH6Qq5v8t BDbj/JQ7kwCBVW3p8+F9idG+GUbEZ31Y5geSsCLdSeFkPz4mUGVv5tAq3pMvDBCW9W DIKF2r9NHsghQ== Received: by mail-lj1-f182.google.com with SMTP id x20so34843761ljq.9 for ; Tue, 04 Apr 2023 11:27:00 -0700 (PDT) X-Gm-Message-State: AAQBX9cvxQH3/G8Uc6ExUxnfF4upFyKqvgc6x2l/3Pa1UaLzsju6K1hh 1cs3BfyHdUY1d5SmUwHoa5TU8aE2kZ+AU3AoVxM= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AKy350a3SrdWAI99VRP9XWrnPCWcWB8bqtiqT4PpiuwCewJZfRXm9IWuj3ftncG58tea5QesTwlY9L9VQZwsVbls534= X-Received: by 2002:a2e:a307:0:b0:299:ac5e:376e with SMTP id l7-20020a2ea307000000b00299ac5e376emr1353029lje.2.1680632818877; Tue, 04 Apr 2023 11:26:58 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20230328173111.759017-1-rebecca@bsdio.com> <02fb01d961dc$88d6acd0$9a840670$@byosoft.com.cn> <92a85636-3875-fd4d-06ff-dab9670370a5@bsdio.com> <000201d96695$331dede0$9959c9a0$@byosoft.com.cn> <61cc40d6-c2b2-5c56-aa3d-f06a4ee11cd3@bsdio.com> <2a83219e-0518-6929-3be2-9b250b9a9b06@bsdio.com> In-Reply-To: <2a83219e-0518-6929-3be2-9b250b9a9b06@bsdio.com> From: "Ard Biesheuvel" Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2023 20:26:47 +0200 X-Gmail-Original-Message-ID: Message-ID: Subject: =?UTF-8?B?UmU6IOWbnuWkjTog5Zue5aSNOiBbZWRrMi1kZXZlbF0gW1BBVENIIHYyIDAwLzEzXSBCYXNlVG9vbHMsQ3J5cHRvUGtnLE1kZVBrZyxPdm1mUGtnOiBEZWxldGUgQ0xBTkczNSxDTEFORzM4LEdDQzQ4LEdDQzQ5LCByZW5hbWUgR0NDNSB0byBHQ0MsIHVwZGF0ZSBDTEFOR0RXQVJGLCBkZWxldGUgVlMgMjAwOC0yMDEzLCBFQkM=?= To: Rebecca Cran Cc: Pedro Falcato , "Kinney, Michael D" , "devel@edk2.groups.io" , Leif Lindholm , "Gao, Liming" , Oliver Smith-Denny , "Jiang, Guomin" , "Lu, Xiaoyu1" , "Wang, Jian J" , "Yao, Jiewen" , Ard Biesheuvel , "Justen, Jordan L" , Gerd Hoffmann , "Feng, Bob C" , Andrew Fish Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, 4 Apr 2023 at 20:03, Rebecca Cran wrote: > > > On 4/4/23 11:57 AM, Pedro Falcato wrote: > > On Tue, Apr 4, 2023 at 6:52=E2=80=AFPM Kinney, Michael D > > wrote: > >> I see value in adding a new name. > >> > >> I see no value in a non-backwards compatible change to delete/rename a= fully supported one. > > As Leif said, you reduce all sorts of possible confusion. > > > > VS2013 builds only for Visual Studio 2013 tools, VS2017 does the same > > for 2017, GCC5 meanwhile builds on anything from (probably GCC 4.x, > > since LTO, 2011) to GCC 13 (to be released soon, 2023). > > > > Surely downstreams can adapt to *this one cosmetic change* that > > changes no behavior. > > Nope, GCC5 currently only builds on GCC _6_ and newer, since we don't > specify -std=3Dc++11. Which makes this discussion even more ridiculous IM= O. > > I agree with Mike here. 'GCC' does not exist today, so dropping GCC5 at the same time makes this a flag day change, which is never great. Imagine having to bisect through that, and having to figure out at each step whether to use GCC5 or GCC. It's much better to have GCC5 and GCC co-exist for a little while, even if the former only exists as an alias that is documented as being obsolete and scheduled for removal. --=20 Ard.