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Thanks for the answers, that's very helpful, guys!

I've started to replace some of my DSC and FDF with the include files ment= ioned by Michael.
Since RISC-V doesn't have I/O registers, SMM and some other things, I had = to make some changes but not too many.
Maybe for Qemu there would have be some more non-Intel changes.
Would you accept patches to make it more arch agnostic? Or should we first= move it out of the Intel directory?

Sorry for hijacking your thread Kaaira, but I hope this discussion would a= lso be helpful for you ��
Just like you, I'm trying to convert a QEMU platform to MinPlatform. (And = then the other RISC-V platforms)
If you want to have a look, you can check out my progress here: https://github.com/riscv/riscv-edk2-platf= orms/commits/riscv-virt-minplatform-gh-actions

My plan is:
  1. Make DSC and FDF smaller by including generic files (WIP)
  2. Try to take advantage of "AdvancedFeatures"= ;
  3. Reformat the FD into the FVs mandated by the MinPlat= form spec
  4. Check the detailed requirements of each stag= e (e.g. required functions, build files, ...)
I see that each stage in the MinPlatform spec has a checklist. They d= on't look like checklist but rather steps to achieve a certain state but th= at's also ok.

Thanks,
Daniel

From: devel@edk2.groups.io= <devel@edk2.groups.io> on behalf of Michael Kubacki <mikuback@lin= ux.microsoft.com>
Sent: Friday, May 21, 2021 00:32
To: Oram, Isaac W <isaac.w.oram@intel.com>; devel@edk2.groups= .io <devel@edk2.groups.io>; Schaefer, Daniel <daniel.schaefer@hpe.= com>; gaoliming@byosoft.com.cn <gaoliming@byosoft.com.cn>; kaaira7= 319@gmail.com <kaaira7319@gmail.com>; Ni, Ray <ray.ni@intel.com>= ;
Subject: Re: =BB=D8=B8=B4: [edk2-devel] GSoC 2021 Qemu OpenBoardPkg= Project
 
Daniel,

You will specifically find attempts to consolidate common libraries and modules in DSC and FDF files that can be included into a board package here -
https://github.com/tianocore/edk2-platforms= /tree/master/Platform/Intel/MinPlatformPkg/Include.
Files are split such that they can be included in the corresponding
section in the board package DSC/FDF file. Note there are some mixed
opinions I've encountered in the industry on the complexity trade off
associated with includes in DSC and FDF files.

But as Isaac mentioned, while MinPlatform is designed to support
multiple architectures, it has only be enabled on Intel platforms,
therefore, you should expect to encounter some problems enabling a
different architecture but identifying and/or resolving those would be very valuable.

As you are exploring how to port a platform to MinPlatform I also
recommend familiarizing yourself the concept of advanced features
described here -
https://github.com/tianocore/edk2-platforms/blob/master/= Features/Intel/Readme.md.
You might find your board package is relatively simpler than the
original platform package after accounting for advanced features being separated out.

Thanks,
Michael


On 5/20/2021 8:05 AM, Oram, Isaac W wrote:
> Daniel,
>
> The MinPlatform spec was intended to be architecture and product
> independent for a =A1=B0mainstream=A1=B1 set of products.  It is= intended to
> constrain some of the nearly unlimited extensibility and flexibility = of
> UEFI specs and edk2 codebase.  We took an 80/20 kind of approach= .  Base
> design should work for 80% of designs, but some will need to leverage=
> full edk2 and UEFI specification flexibility.  I think that a ba= sic QEMU
> kind of port would fit in 80% target.  I would ultimately like t= o see a
> progression of edk2 use that starts with QEMU then moves more seamles= sly
> to open designs and then proprietary product designs.  MinPlatfo= rm
> consistency is hoped to help that developer ramp into system firmware=
> productivity.
>
> We have only seen MinPlatform applied to Intel based products so far.=
> Which is why we are not rushing to move the spec from a 0.7 =A1=B0bro= ad
> feedback=A1=B1 state to a 1.0 =A1=B0initially complete=A1=B1 state.&n= bsp; Like edk2,
> MinPlatformPkg and BoardModulePkg content is intended to support
> multiple silicon and product architectures and we will happily promot= e
> content out of =A1=B0Intel=A1=B1 scope when that is an accurate refle= ction of use
> and not just wishful thinking.  While 100% of uses are Intel sco= pe, it
> makes sense to land in the Intel part of edk2-platforms repo.  S= imilar
> logic applies to Features/Intel content, though more there may have t= ies
> to Intel specific product features.
>
> The Minimum Platform Arch spec details base requirements for FV layou= t
> (thus enabling more common code to publish FV details), base silicon =
> policy configuration flow (thus more common PEIM/drivers to gather > config information and reduce board porting to relatively simple
> libraries), and such things.  By enabling more common PEIM and d= rivers,
> we hope to see benefits to ease of use and consistent quality. Simila= r
> approaches for the other elements of the spec should help to improve =
> code sharing.
>
> Anyway, yes, it should be able to help you reduce the copies of =A1= =B0mostly
> common=A1=B1 code that you encountered and the code and spec are open= to
> welcome the additional use and feedback from additional applications.=
>
> Regards,
> Isaac
>
> *From:*devel@edk2.groups.io <devel@edk2.groups.io> *On Behalf O= f *Daniel
> Schaefer
> *Sent:* Wednesday, May 19, 2021 8:40 PM
> *To:* devel@edk2.groups.io; gaoliming@byosoft.com.cn;
> kaaira7319@gmail.com; Ni, Ray <ray.ni@intel.com>;
> mikuback@linux.microsoft.com
> *Subject:* Re: =BB=D8=B8=B4: [edk2-devel] GSoC 2021 Qemu OpenBoardPkg= Project
>
> Hi,
>
> that sounds like a great project!
>
> I'm currently trying to create an equivalent of OvmfPkg for the RISCV= 64
> generic QEMU virt machine.
>
> I don't like how much of my DSC and FDF file has modules that pretty =
> much all platforms should have.
>
> MinPlatform would help reduce that, right?
>
> Is MinPlatform flexible enough to account for non-X64 platforms?
>
> If so, then I think Kaaira and I could collaborate.
>
> Cheers,
> Daniel
>
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------= ---
>
> *From:*devel@edk2.groups.io
> <mailto:devel@edk2.groups.= io><devel@edk2.groups.io
> <mailto:devel@edk2.groups.= io>> on behalf of Michael Kubacki
> <mikuback@linux.microsoft.com <mailto:mikuback@linux.microsoft.com>>
> *Sent:* Thursday, May 20, 2021 02:57
> *To:* devel@edk2.groups.io
> <mailto:devel@edk2.groups.= io><devel@edk2.groups.io
> <mailto:devel@edk2.groups.= io>>; gaoliming@byosoft.com.cn
> <mailto:gaoliming@byos= oft.com.cn><gaoliming@byosoft.com.cn
> <mailto:gaoliming@byos= oft.com.cn>>; kaaira7319@gmail.com
> <mailto:kaaira7319@gmail.c= om><kaaira7319@gmail.com
> <mailto:kaaira7319@gmail.c= om>>; 'Ray Ni' <ray.ni@intel.com
> <mailto:ray.ni@intel.com&g= t;>
> *Subject:* Re: =BB=D8=B8=B4: [edk2-devel] GSoC 2021 Qemu OpenBoardPkg= Project
>
> I also wanted to add that I will be setting up weekly video calls
> including Ray that we can use to supplement mailing list communicatio= n.
>
> I suggest the primary communication mechanism be the mailing list and= we
> use those calls for clarification, detailed project planning, and top= ics
> not directly relevant to the list.
>
> Regards,
> Michael
>
> On 5/19/2021 10:29 AM, Michael Kubacki wrote:
>> Thanks Liming.
>>
>> Hi Kaaira,
>>
>> Welcome! You can contact me at mikuback@linux.microsoft.com <<= a href=3D"mailto:mikuback@linux.microsoft.com">mailto:mikuback@linux.micros= oft.com>. You
> will
>> sometimes see my email as michael.kubacki@microsoft.com <mailto:michael.kubacki@microsof= t.com>and
> that is fine
>> to use for communication though I tend to not use it on the maili= ng list
>> due to way the mail server manipulates plaintext email.
>>
>> GENERIC RESOURCES
>>
>> I'm sharing some general resources in case you are not already fa= miliar
>> with them:
>>
>> 1. https://github.com/tianocore-training/Tianocore_Traini= ng_Contents/wiki
> <https://github.com/tianocore-training/Tianocore_Training_= Contents/wiki>
>>
>> This one is good for topics like UEFI overview, EDK II concepts, = and
>> Minimum Platform.
>>
>> In particular for your project, I recommend looking through the <= br> >> MinPlatform training -
>> https://github.com/tianocore-training/Presentation_FW/blob/master/FW/Pr= esentations/_D_05_EDK_II_Open_Source_MinPlatform_pres_gp.pdf
> <https://github.com/tianocore-training/Presentation_FW/blob/master/FW/Pr= esentations/_D_05_EDK_II_Open_Source_MinPlatform_pres_gp.pdf>
>>
>>
>> 2.
>> https://software.intel.= com/content/www/us/en/develop/articles/unified-extensible-firmware-interfac= e.html
> <https://software.intel.= com/content/www/us/en/develop/articles/unified-extensible-firmware-interfac= e.html>
>>
>>
>> These whitepapers are useful when you need more in depth detail a= bout a
>> particular area (like capsule update or work related to the memor= y map).
>> I recommend bookmarking it and keeping it in mind as a reference.=
>>
>> 3. https://uefi.org/learning_center/presentationsandvideos/
> <https://uefi.org/learning_center/presentationsandvideos/>
>>
>> Scroll through here if you have some time and see if there's anyt= hing
>> interesting. To help keep on your project schedule I don't think = these
>> are as important but there is a lot of interesting material there= .
>>
>> Reading through some of the key concepts in Beyond BIOS can be he= lpful
>> and like the UEFI, ACPI, and PI (Platform Initialization) specs a= t
>> https://uefi.org/spec= ifications <https://uefi= .org/specifications>, I
> believe they are most useful as
>> references when you are solving specific problems.
>>
>> PROJECT-SPECIFIC RESOURCES
>>
>> Since your project involves creating QEMU board within the Minimu= m
>> Platform architecture, you can start looking into:
>>
>> 1. QEMU - An open source machine emulator
>> 2. Minimum Platform Architecture - A software architecture to cre= ate
>> basic platform firmware that can be extended with advanced functi= onality.
>> 3. Intel FSP - Try to understand the high-level goals and how FSP=
>> interfaces with firmware.
>>
>> 1. QEMU - https://www.qemu.org/=   <https://www.qemu.org/ >
>>
>> Please set up the QEMU environment. Your QemuOpenBoardPkg will ne= ed to
>> run on qemu-system-x86_64 at a minimum with a 32-bit PEI and a 64= -bit
>> DXE phase. Most real hardware firmwares also use a 32-bit PEI and= a
>> 64-bit DXE.
>>
>> I suggest you start with the OvmfPkg README -
>> https://github.com/tianocore/edk2/blob/master/OvmfPkg/README
> <https://github.com/tianocore/edk2/blob/master/OvmfPkg/README>= ;
>>
>> As an initial step you can try to build an OVMF FW with a 32-bit = PEI
>> (IA32) and 64-bit DXE (X64) and boot to the EFI shell.
>> OvmfPkg/OvmfPkgIa32X64.dsc can be used to build a firmware for th= ese
>> target architectures.
>>
>> Any time you submit patches to edk2, you can check edk2/maintaine= rs.txt
>> - https://github.com/tianocore/edk2/blob/master/Maintainers.txt
> <https://github.com/tianocore/edk2/blob/master/Maintainers.txt&= gt;for the
>> appropriate maintainers and reviewers to CC on the patch. As you = can
>> see, Laszlo and Ard are the maintainers for OvmfPkg and Jordan is= a
>> reviewer. If there are any questions that require deep expertise = in QEMU
>> or OVMF, we will reach out to them. The Minimum Platform code is =
>> maintained in the edk2-platforms repository and it has a similar =
>> maintainers.txt file for its packages -
>> https://github.com/tianocore/edk2-platforms/blob/master/= Maintainers.txt
> <https://github.com/tianocore/edk2-platforms/blob/master/= Maintainers.txt>.
>>
>> I suggest you try sending a very trivial patch for a change in th= e
>> edk2-platforms repository - https://github.com/tianocore/edk2-platforms
> <https://g= ithub.com/tianocore/edk2-platforms>
>> to make sure that your git environment is set up properly to form= at edk2
>> patches and your email service can send patches correctly.
>>
>> We can discuss the details about how to set up your environment a= nd what
>> to change when you are ready. You can use this page to get starte= d -
>> https://github.com/tianocore/tianocore.github.io/wiki/Ho= w-To-Contribute
> <https://github.com/tianocore/tianocore.github.io/wiki/Ho= w-To-Contribute>.
>>
>> 2. EDK II Minimum Platform Specification -
>> https://edk2-docs.gitbook.io/edk-ii-minimum-platform-specifi= cation/ 
> <https://edk2-docs.gitbook.io/edk-ii-minimum-plat= form-specification/ >
>>
>> For your project, this spec will be very useful. It describes why=
>> Minimum Platform was created and how it works at a high-level. Li= ke the
>> code, this document is open and available to the community. You m= ight
>> contribute content here in addition to your code. You can fix any= bugs
>> or update content in the spec using git patches and the mailing l= ist
>> similar to code.
>>
>> 3. Intel FSP -
>> https://www.i= ntel.com/content/www/us/en/intelligent-systems/intel-firmware-support-packa= ge/intel-fsp-overview.html
> <https://www.i= ntel.com/content/www/us/en/intelligent-systems/intel-firmware-support-packa= ge/intel-fsp-overview.html>
>>
>>
>> For more information about Intel FSP check out the Intel FSP Exte= rnal
>> Architecture Specification in the link above. v2.2 is currently t= he
>> latest version.
>>
>> There is an open source QEMU FSP available here
>> https://github.com/universalpayload/fspsdk/tree/qemu_fsp_x64
> <https://github.com/universalpayload/fspsdk/tree/qemu_fsp_x64>= ;. You will
>> find the existing Minimum Platform boards use Intel FSP while Ovm= fPkg
>> does not use FSP.
>>
>> Firmware is really best learned hands on. Using the links and bac= kground
>> info above, I suggest:
>>
>> 1. Read the OvmfPkg readme.
>> 2. Build a 32-bit PEI and 64-bit DXE OVMF FW and boot it to EFI s= hell
>> using QEMU.
>> 3. Reading through the EDK II Minimum Platform Specification to g= ain a
>> high level understanding of Minimum Platform.
>> 4. Connect what you read to the code in
>> https://github.com/tianocore/edk2-platforms/tree/master/P= latform/Intel
> <https://github.com/tianocore/edk2-platforms/tree/master/P= latform/Intel>.
>> Focus on higher level pieces like the board initialization librar= y.
>> 5. Note what each board package is doing. You will find common pa= tterns
>> for what a board package needs to implement to make the system bo= ot.
>> 6. As you read through the code, reference the general resources = listed
>> above to understand anything not Minimum Platform specific. Part = of the
>> learning process is knowing which spec to use for different inter= faces.
>> If you're unsure which spec something is in, feel free to reach o= ut.
>> 7. While looking through the code in edk2-platforms, think about = a patch
>> you can send to edk2-platforms for something very trivial such as= a bug
>> fix or documentation update.
>> 8. Send the patch and get it reviewed-by the appropriate
>> maintainers/reviewers and merged into the master branch.
>> 9. Read through the code in OvmfPkg. Try to map the work it is do= ing to
>> the board code you reviewed in edk2-platforms.
>> 10. At this point, you could start outlining major pieces of
>> initialization in OVMF and how they might map to a board package.= Try to
>> identify where the initialization pieces would reside in the boar= d
>> package and try to identify challenges that might arise. We will = likely
>> spend quite a bit of time here before jumping into too much code.=
>>
>> I know this is a lot of info. Please don't hesitate to reach out = if you
>> have any questions and I look forward to working with you.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Michael
>>
>> On 5/18/2021 6:05 PM, gaoliming wrote:
>>> Include Michael Kubacki.
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>> Liming
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>>>> =B7=A2=BC=FE=C8=CB: devel@edk2.groups.io
> <mailto:devel@edk2.groups.= io><devel@edk2.groups.io
> <mailto:devel@edk2.groups.= io>> =B4=FA=B1=ED KAAIRA
>>>> GUPTA
>>>> =B7=A2=CB=CD=CA=B1=BC=E4: 2021=C4=EA5=D4=C218=C8=D5 22:42=
>>>> =CA=D5=BC=FE=C8=CB: Ray Ni <ray.ni@intel.com <mailto:ray.ni@intel.com>>;
> devel@edk2.groups.io <mail= to:devel@edk2.groups.io>
>>>> =D6=F7=CC=E2: Re: [edk2-devel] GSoC 2021 Qemu OpenBoardPk= g Project
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, May 18, 2021 at 08:01:57PM +0530, Kaaira Gupta wr= ote:
>>>>> Hey everyone,
>>>>>
>>>>> I have been selected as a student developer for the p= roject MinPlatform
>>>>> Qemu OpenBoardPkg under the mentors Ray Ni and Michae= l Kubacki.
>>>> Thankyou
>>>>> for this opportunity. I have been over the major chap= ters of Beyond
>>>>> BIOS
>>>>> as recommended by Nate DeSimone. I want to get famili= ar with the code
>>>>> now to help me undersatnd the community practices and= get my hands
>>>>> dirty. Where should I start? What development environ= ment do I need?
>>>>> How can I use this community bonding period to give m= e a better start
>>>>> for the coding phase?
>>>>>
>>>>> How do the mentors want me to connect with them? Can = we have a meet
>>>> to
>>>>> discuss this project's plan to add more details? This= would be very
>>>>> helpful for me considering I don't have prior experie= nce with EDK2.
>>>>
>>>> I noticed that the mail-id that I have used of Michael Ku= backi doesn't
>>>> exist anymore. Please let me know how I can contact him.<= br> >>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Thank you,
>>>>> Kaaira
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Kaaira
>>>>
>>>>
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