From: "Lu, Ken" <ken.lu@intel.com>
To: Ard Biesheuvel <ardb@kernel.org>
Cc: "Xu, Min M" <min.m.xu@intel.com>,
Daniel Kiper <daniel.kiper@oracle.com>,
"devel@edk2.groups.io" <devel@edk2.groups.io>,
Ard Biesheuvel <ardb+tianocore@kernel.org>,
"Aktas, Erdem" <erdemaktas@google.com>,
"James Bottomley" <jejb@linux.ibm.com>,
"Yao, Jiewen" <jiewen.yao@intel.com>,
"Gerd Hoffmann" <kraxel@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [edk2-devel] measurement to command-line/initrd for loading kernel via -kernel option
Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2022 13:24:21 +0000 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <DM6PR11MB36742CE3473A2FEB8634314F984C9@DM6PR11MB3674.namprd11.prod.outlook.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAMj1kXG9WJ4dYNmynH3eCUfWpfy8A6FgzFLGV=sdaf+fjn1gDg@mail.gmail.com>
> > Hi Ard, I think it better let creator to measure instead of consumer to measure
> like today's implementation in grub[1]. The creator here means who load/create
> it. In direct boot, it is OVMF read kernel command line and initrd image. In grub
> boot, it is grub2. Because the number of consumer like Linux kernel could be
> more than 1, but the creator is single.
>
> I agree with this in principle.
So you are not against to do measurement in loader like current does in grub and OVMF, correct? I think it is OK even do twice measurements on cmdline and initrd for the corner case.
In past month, I just submit patch in grub to do CC measurement at https://git.savannah.gnu.org/cgit/grub.git/commit/?id=4c76565b6cb885b7e144dc27f3612066844e2d19
> However, there are corner cases that we would like
> to cover, such as booting Linux from the EFI shell.
I remember Bottomley or someone mentioned to use CONFIG_CMDLINE and CONFIG_INITRAMFS_SOURCE, such as https://blog.decentriq.com/swiss-cheese-to-cheddar-securing-amd-sev-snp-early-boot-2/ for this corner case, especially for confidential container use case without grub.
Or in general, any loader that
> knows how to load an image and pass a command line, but may not be aware of
> whether or which flavor of measured boot is being used by the platform.
>
This is headache.... but if loader do not know, why kernel know? How to guarantee both loader and kernel know for consistent measurement results?
> > In another side, "EFI stub" is bind to EFI boot protocol and "EFI handover
> protocol" is deprecated in grub 2.06[2]. (CC to Daniel).
> >
>
> Apologies, I don't understand this sentence.
May be I am wrong. I mean whether "EFI stub" code is only valid for "EFI handover protocol", or is it also valid for Linux 32bit/64bit boot? See https://www.kernel.org/doc/html/latest/x86/boot.html
If it is only valid for "EFI handover protocol", then it is deprecated. So "EFI stub" code for measurement will not work for Linux 32bit/64bit boot.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2022-09-20 13:24 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 22+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2022-09-17 2:52 measurement to command-line/initrd for loading kernel via -kernel option Min Xu
2022-09-18 12:52 ` Ard Biesheuvel
2022-09-19 2:13 ` [edk2-devel] " Min Xu
2022-09-19 6:58 ` Ard Biesheuvel
2022-09-20 0:20 ` Min Xu
2022-09-20 12:29 ` Ard Biesheuvel
2022-09-20 12:55 ` Lu, Ken
2022-09-20 13:03 ` Ard Biesheuvel
2022-09-20 13:24 ` Lu, Ken [this message]
2022-09-20 13:43 ` James Bottomley
2022-09-20 14:34 ` Ard Biesheuvel
2022-09-20 14:51 ` Ard Biesheuvel
2022-09-20 15:14 ` Lu, Ken
2022-09-20 13:20 ` Gerd Hoffmann
2022-09-20 13:38 ` Lu, Ken
2022-09-20 14:18 ` Gerd Hoffmann
2022-09-20 14:30 ` Lu, Ken
2022-09-21 7:14 ` Gerd Hoffmann
2022-09-21 11:24 ` Lu, Ken
2022-09-21 12:27 ` Gerd Hoffmann
2022-09-21 15:41 ` Ard Biesheuvel
2022-09-23 9:34 ` Ilias Apalodimas
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