Re: Ingebrigtsen: The End of Gmane?

Re: Ingebrigtsen: The End of Gmane?

[Kinney, Michael D]

Bruce,

Built-in archives for edk2-devel and edk2-bugs and now enabled.

Mike

> -----Original Message-----
> From: edk2-devel [mailto:edk2-devel-bounces@lists.01.org] On Behalf Of Bruce Cran
> Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2016 5:18 PM
> To: Laszlo Ersek <lersek@redhat.com>; edk2-devel-01 <edk2-devel@ml01.01.org>
> Subject: Re: [edk2] Ingebrigtsen: The End of Gmane?
> 
> On 7/28/16 1:13 PM, Laszlo Ersek wrote:
> 
> > The direct (and less important) issue is that we might have to find a
> > new archival service. And that our gmane links captured in various
> > places would break.
> 
> Since this ML is on Mailman, maybe Intel (i.e. owners of 01.org) can
> enable the built-in archives feature?
> 
> --
> Bruce
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> https://lists.01.org/mailman/listinfo/edk2-devel

Re: Ingebrigtsen: The End of Gmane?

[Bruce Cran]

On 7/28/16 6:46 PM, Kinney, Michael D wrote:

> Built-in archives for edk2-devel and edk2-bugs and now enabled.

Thanks!

-- 
Bruce

Re: Ingebrigtsen: The End of Gmane?

[Laszlo Ersek]

On 07/29/16 06:07, Bruce Cran wrote:
> On 7/28/16 6:46 PM, Kinney, Michael D wrote:
> 
>> Built-in archives for edk2-devel and edk2-bugs and now enabled.
> 
> Thanks!
> 

Thanks!
Laszlo

Re: Ingebrigtsen: The End of Gmane?

[Bruce Cran]

On 7/28/2016 1:19 PM, Andrew Fish wrote:

> Seems he will send you the disks. What could go wrong?

I'm actually tempted to take him up on that offer.
Just today I went looking for information about UefiDebugLib to see if 
it was possible for a driver to print debug information to the serial 
port (or other sort of debug device) instead of the console, and came 
across the thread at
http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.comp.bios.tianocore.devel/3024 where 
thanks to Google's cache I learned that:

"The EDK used some Tiano and implementation defined protocols to support DEBUG and ASSERT macros. So DEBUG
and ASSERT from the EDK can only be reliably used if you compile all the EDK firmware together. As Liming
points out it is much safer to use a UEFI console based debug message for developing generic drivers and
applications."

It's a shame to lose information like that.

-- 
Bruce

Re: Ingebrigtsen: The End of Gmane?

[Laszlo Ersek]

On 07/31/16 04:25, Bruce Cran wrote:
> On 7/28/2016 1:19 PM, Andrew Fish wrote:
> 
>> Seems he will send you the disks. What could go wrong?
> 
> I'm actually tempted to take him up on that offer.
> Just today I went looking for information about UefiDebugLib to see if
> it was possible for a driver to print debug information to the serial
> port (or other sort of debug device) instead of the console, and came
> across the thread at
> http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.comp.bios.tianocore.devel/3024 where
> thanks to Google's cache I learned that:
> 
> "The EDK used some Tiano and implementation defined protocols to support
> DEBUG and ASSERT macros. So DEBUG
> and ASSERT from the EDK can only be reliably used if you compile all the
> EDK firmware together. As Liming
> points out it is much safer to use a UEFI console based debug message
> for developing generic drivers and
> applications."
> 
> It's a shame to lose information like that.

I think the Internet Archive intends to pick up the DB + WebUI:

https://lars.ingebrigtsen.no/2016/07/28/the-end-of-gmane/comment-page-1/#comment-13501

Also, from Lars Ingebrigtsen (speaking to a yet to be determined entity):

"I hand over the gmane.org domain to you [...] All previous
permalink.gmane.org (etc.) links continue to work as before, but they’ll
look new and spiffy in your new and spiffy web interface."

https://lars.ingebrigtsen.no/2016/07/28/the-end-of-gmane/comment-page-1/#comment-13502

(Actually, I'm a huge fan of the current (oldie but goldie) WebUI, so
"new and spiffy" is a minus for me, but at least the links should
continue to work.)

Going forward I'll have to constrain myself to the builtin mailman2
links at <https://lists.01.org/pipermail/edk2-devel/>. (Thanks again
Bruce and Mike for enabling those.)

Thanks
Laszlo

Re: Ingebrigtsen: The End of Gmane?

[Rafael Machado]

Hi everyone.

Sorry for the possibly stupid question, maybe I lose something. Did we get
to a conclusion about this?
I tried to access the link https://lists.01.org/pipermail/edk2-devel/
but didn't find to much information. Just e-mails from 3 moths ago.

Thanks
Rafael R. Machado

Em seg, 1 de ago de 2016 às 10:25, Laszlo Ersek <lersek@redhat.com>
escreveu:

> On 07/31/16 04:25, Bruce Cran wrote:
> > On 7/28/2016 1:19 PM, Andrew Fish wrote:
> >
> >> Seems he will send you the disks. What could go wrong?
> >
> > I'm actually tempted to take him up on that offer.
> > Just today I went looking for information about UefiDebugLib to see if
> > it was possible for a driver to print debug information to the serial
> > port (or other sort of debug device) instead of the console, and came
> > across the thread at
> > http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.comp.bios.tianocore.devel/3024 where
> > thanks to Google's cache I learned that:
> >
> > "The EDK used some Tiano and implementation defined protocols to support
> > DEBUG and ASSERT macros. So DEBUG
> > and ASSERT from the EDK can only be reliably used if you compile all the
> > EDK firmware together. As Liming
> > points out it is much safer to use a UEFI console based debug message
> > for developing generic drivers and
> > applications."
> >
> > It's a shame to lose information like that.
>
> I think the Internet Archive intends to pick up the DB + WebUI:
>
>
> https://lars.ingebrigtsen.no/2016/07/28/the-end-of-gmane/comment-page-1/#comment-13501
>
> Also, from Lars Ingebrigtsen (speaking to a yet to be determined entity):
>
> "I hand over the gmane.org domain to you [...] All previous
> permalink.gmane.org (etc.) links continue to work as before, but they’ll
> look new and spiffy in your new and spiffy web interface."
>
>
> https://lars.ingebrigtsen.no/2016/07/28/the-end-of-gmane/comment-page-1/#comment-13502
>
> (Actually, I'm a huge fan of the current (oldie but goldie) WebUI, so
> "new and spiffy" is a minus for me, but at least the links should
> continue to work.)
>
> Going forward I'll have to constrain myself to the builtin mailman2
> links at <https://lists.01.org/pipermail/edk2-devel/>. (Thanks again
> Bruce and Mike for enabling those.)
>
> Thanks
> Laszlo
> _______________________________________________
> edk2-devel mailing list
> edk2-devel@lists.01.org
> https://lists.01.org/mailman/listinfo/edk2-devel
>

Re: Ingebrigtsen: The End of Gmane?

[Laszlo Ersek]

On 09/05/16 19:51, Rafael Machado wrote:
> Hi everyone.
> 
> Sorry for the possibly stupid question, maybe I lose something. Did we
> get to a conclusion about this?
> I tried to access the link https://lists.01.org/pipermail/edk2-devel/ 
> but didn't find to much information. Just e-mails from 3 moths ago.

The gmane web interface is gone, and I'm unaware of anyone who has
picked up the archive and exposed it under the same URLs (via domain
name transfer etc). So, at the moment (to my knowledge) all our
historical gmane links are broken. Neither do I know how someone could
access edk2-devel messages that predate Mike's enablement of the
built-in <https://lists.01.org/pipermail/edk2-devel/> archive.

Sorry :(
Laszlo

> Em seg, 1 de ago de 2016 às 10:25, Laszlo Ersek <lersek@redhat.com
> <mailto:lersek@redhat.com>> escreveu:
> 
>     On 07/31/16 04:25, Bruce Cran wrote:
>     > On 7/28/2016 1:19 PM, Andrew Fish wrote:
>     >
>     >> Seems he will send you the disks. What could go wrong?
>     >
>     > I'm actually tempted to take him up on that offer.
>     > Just today I went looking for information about UefiDebugLib to see if
>     > it was possible for a driver to print debug information to the serial
>     > port (or other sort of debug device) instead of the console, and came
>     > across the thread at
>     > http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.comp.bios.tianocore.devel/3024 where
>     > thanks to Google's cache I learned that:
>     >
>     > "The EDK used some Tiano and implementation defined protocols to
>     support
>     > DEBUG and ASSERT macros. So DEBUG
>     > and ASSERT from the EDK can only be reliably used if you compile
>     all the
>     > EDK firmware together. As Liming
>     > points out it is much safer to use a UEFI console based debug message
>     > for developing generic drivers and
>     > applications."
>     >
>     > It's a shame to lose information like that.
> 
>     I think the Internet Archive intends to pick up the DB + WebUI:
> 
>     https://lars.ingebrigtsen.no/2016/07/28/the-end-of-gmane/comment-page-1/#comment-13501
> 
>     Also, from Lars Ingebrigtsen (speaking to a yet to be determined
>     entity):
> 
>     "I hand over the gmane.org <http://gmane.org> domain to you [...]
>     All previous
>     permalink.gmane.org <http://permalink.gmane.org> (etc.) links
>     continue to work as before, but they’ll
>     look new and spiffy in your new and spiffy web interface."
> 
>     https://lars.ingebrigtsen.no/2016/07/28/the-end-of-gmane/comment-page-1/#comment-13502
> 
>     (Actually, I'm a huge fan of the current (oldie but goldie) WebUI, so
>     "new and spiffy" is a minus for me, but at least the links should
>     continue to work.)
> 
>     Going forward I'll have to constrain myself to the builtin mailman2
>     links at <https://lists.01.org/pipermail/edk2-devel/>. (Thanks again
>     Bruce and Mike for enabling those.)
> 
>     Thanks
>     Laszlo
>     _______________________________________________
>     edk2-devel mailing list
>     edk2-devel@lists.01.org <mailto:edk2-devel@lists.01.org>
>     https://lists.01.org/mailman/listinfo/edk2-devel
> 

Re: Ingebrigtsen: The End of Gmane?

[Rafael Machado]

Hi Laszlo.

Thanks for the answer, even being terrible news.
The archive helped me a lot to solve several situations in the past.

We know how this kind of information is important for the community.
Hope someone could give us some light on that.

Not sure if I can help to solve this, in case there is something I can do
let me know.

Rafael R. Machado

Em ter, 6 de set de 2016 às 06:25, Laszlo Ersek <lersek@redhat.com>
escreveu:

> On 09/05/16 19:51, Rafael Machado wrote:
> > Hi everyone.
> >
> > Sorry for the possibly stupid question, maybe I lose something. Did we
> > get to a conclusion about this?
> > I tried to access the link https://lists.01.org/pipermail/edk2-devel/
> > but didn't find to much information. Just e-mails from 3 moths ago.
>
> The gmane web interface is gone, and I'm unaware of anyone who has
> picked up the archive and exposed it under the same URLs (via domain
> name transfer etc). So, at the moment (to my knowledge) all our
> historical gmane links are broken. Neither do I know how someone could
> access edk2-devel messages that predate Mike's enablement of the
> built-in <https://lists.01.org/pipermail/edk2-devel/> archive.
>
> Sorry :(
> Laszlo
>
> > Em seg, 1 de ago de 2016 às 10:25, Laszlo Ersek <lersek@redhat.com
> > <mailto:lersek@redhat.com>> escreveu:
> >
> >     On 07/31/16 04:25, Bruce Cran wrote:
> >     > On 7/28/2016 1:19 PM, Andrew Fish wrote:
> >     >
> >     >> Seems he will send you the disks. What could go wrong?
> >     >
> >     > I'm actually tempted to take him up on that offer.
> >     > Just today I went looking for information about UefiDebugLib to
> see if
> >     > it was possible for a driver to print debug information to the
> serial
> >     > port (or other sort of debug device) instead of the console, and
> came
> >     > across the thread at
> >     > http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.comp.bios.tianocore.devel/3024
> where
> >     > thanks to Google's cache I learned that:
> >     >
> >     > "The EDK used some Tiano and implementation defined protocols to
> >     support
> >     > DEBUG and ASSERT macros. So DEBUG
> >     > and ASSERT from the EDK can only be reliably used if you compile
> >     all the
> >     > EDK firmware together. As Liming
> >     > points out it is much safer to use a UEFI console based debug
> message
> >     > for developing generic drivers and
> >     > applications."
> >     >
> >     > It's a shame to lose information like that.
> >
> >     I think the Internet Archive intends to pick up the DB + WebUI:
> >
> >
> https://lars.ingebrigtsen.no/2016/07/28/the-end-of-gmane/comment-page-1/#comment-13501
> >
> >     Also, from Lars Ingebrigtsen (speaking to a yet to be determined
> >     entity):
> >
> >     "I hand over the gmane.org <http://gmane.org> domain to you [...]
> >     All previous
> >     permalink.gmane.org <http://permalink.gmane.org> (etc.) links
> >     continue to work as before, but they’ll
> >     look new and spiffy in your new and spiffy web interface."
> >
> >
> https://lars.ingebrigtsen.no/2016/07/28/the-end-of-gmane/comment-page-1/#comment-13502
> >
> >     (Actually, I'm a huge fan of the current (oldie but goldie) WebUI, so
> >     "new and spiffy" is a minus for me, but at least the links should
> >     continue to work.)
> >
> >     Going forward I'll have to constrain myself to the builtin mailman2
> >     links at <https://lists.01.org/pipermail/edk2-devel/>. (Thanks again
> >     Bruce and Mike for enabling those.)
> >
> >     Thanks
> >     Laszlo
> >     _______________________________________________
> >     edk2-devel mailing list
> >     edk2-devel@lists.01.org <mailto:edk2-devel@lists.01.org>
> >     https://lists.01.org/mailman/listinfo/edk2-devel
> >
>
>

Re: Ingebrigtsen: The End of Gmane?

[Bruce Cran]

On 9/6/16 3:25 AM, Laszlo Ersek wrote:

> The gmane web interface is gone, and I'm unaware of anyone who has
> picked up the archive and exposed it under the same URLs (via domain
> name transfer etc). So, at the moment (to my knowledge) all our
> historical gmane links are broken. Neither do I know how someone could
> access edk2-devel messages that predate Mike's enablement of the
> built-in <https://lists.01.org/pipermail/edk2-devel/> archive.

As of today, it seems a reboot is underway: 
http://home.gmane.org/2016/09/06/reboot-v1/

"I just re-enabled some of the URLs and traffic is flowing.

This rebuild is going to require an ongoing effort to bring it back to 
its former glory but we will get there shortly."

-- 
Bruce

Re: Ingebrigtsen: The End of Gmane?

[Rafael Machado]

Nice!!!

Em ter, 6 de set de 2016 às 13:20, Bruce Cran <bruce@cran.org.uk> escreveu:

> On 9/6/16 3:25 AM, Laszlo Ersek wrote:
>
> > The gmane web interface is gone, and I'm unaware of anyone who has
> > picked up the archive and exposed it under the same URLs (via domain
> > name transfer etc). So, at the moment (to my knowledge) all our
> > historical gmane links are broken. Neither do I know how someone could
> > access edk2-devel messages that predate Mike's enablement of the
> > built-in <https://lists.01.org/pipermail/edk2-devel/> archive.
>
> As of today, it seems a reboot is underway:
> http://home.gmane.org/2016/09/06/reboot-v1/
>
> "I just re-enabled some of the URLs and traffic is flowing.
>
> This rebuild is going to require an ongoing effort to bring it back to
> its former glory but we will get there shortly."
>
> --
> Bruce
>

Re: Ingebrigtsen: The End of Gmane?

[Laszlo Ersek]

On 09/06/16 18:20, Bruce Cran wrote:
> On 9/6/16 3:25 AM, Laszlo Ersek wrote:
> 
>> The gmane web interface is gone, and I'm unaware of anyone who has
>> picked up the archive and exposed it under the same URLs (via domain
>> name transfer etc). So, at the moment (to my knowledge) all our
>> historical gmane links are broken. Neither do I know how someone could
>> access edk2-devel messages that predate Mike's enablement of the
>> built-in <https://lists.01.org/pipermail/edk2-devel/> archive.
> 
> As of today, it seems a reboot is underway:
> http://home.gmane.org/2016/09/06/reboot-v1/
> 
> "I just re-enabled some of the URLs and traffic is flowing.
> 
> This rebuild is going to require an ongoing effort to bring it back to
> its former glory but we will get there shortly."
> 

Today I happened to click a gmane link "just in case", and incredibly,
it worked. The web archive is up again; it even looks almost identically
to the old one.

Laszlo