public inbox for devel@edk2.groups.io
 help / color / mirror / Atom feed
From: "Michael D Kinney" <michael.d.kinney@intel.com>
To: Ard Biesheuvel <ard.biesheuvel@arm.com>,
	Laszlo Ersek <lersek@redhat.com>,
	Rebecca Cran <rebecca@bsdio.com>,
	edk2-devel-groups-io <devel@edk2.groups.io>,
	"Kinney, Michael D" <michael.d.kinney@intel.com>
Cc: Andrew Fish <afish@apple.com>, Leif Lindholm <leif@nuviainc.com>,
	"Justen, Jordan L" <jordan.l.justen@intel.com>
Subject: Re: Where to put the bhyve code in the edk2 repo: BhyvePkg, or under OvmfPkg?
Date: Mon, 11 May 2020 16:36:28 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <MN2PR11MB44612272FBED8F288D7A1851D2A10@MN2PR11MB4461.namprd11.prod.outlook.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <30320333-7ea6-084c-4b6c-569bc2a8b1aa@arm.com>

I agree that ArmVirtPkg contents should be added to OvmfPkg.

Mike

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ard Biesheuvel <ard.biesheuvel@arm.com>
> Sent: Monday, May 11, 2020 9:21 AM
> To: Laszlo Ersek <lersek@redhat.com>; Rebecca Cran
> <rebecca@bsdio.com>; edk2-devel-groups-io
> <devel@edk2.groups.io>
> Cc: Kinney, Michael D <michael.d.kinney@intel.com>;
> Andrew Fish <afish@apple.com>; Leif Lindholm
> <leif@nuviainc.com>; Justen, Jordan L
> <jordan.l.justen@intel.com>
> Subject: Re: Where to put the bhyve code in the edk2
> repo: BhyvePkg, or under OvmfPkg?
> 
> On 5/11/20 5:55 PM, Laszlo Ersek wrote:
> > (CC'ing Ard and Jordan.)
> >
> > On 05/08/20 17:44, Rebecca Cran wrote:
> >> During the Community Meeting last night, I was asked
> to send this email
> >> starting a discussion about where to put the bhyve
> code in the edk2
> >> tree: whether it should be in a new BhyvePkg, or
> added under OvmfPkg.
> >
> > I prefer a top-level BhyvePkg.
> >
> > If most edk2 consumers wouldn't like to see a top-
> level BhyvePkg
> > directory, I can certainly live with OvmfPkg/Bhyve.
> >
> > I can also live with OvmfPkg/Bhyve*,
> OvmfPkg/Library/Bhyve*, etc, modules.
> >
> > So I guess these would be my choices in decreasing
> order of preference.
> > (To be clear, I consider my option#3 still a lot
> better than not having
> > bhyve support in upstream edk2 at all.)
> >
> > In either case, "Maintainers.txt" should get a new
> section listing the
> > bhyve-specific modules as being under your and Peter
> Grehan's
> > reviewership ("R").
> >
> >> It
> >> appears it's already been decided it should be in
> edk2 along with the
> >> other virtual platforms and not edk2-platforms,
> where code for physical
> >> platforms will reside.
> >
> > I haven't been aware that this is a done deal, but if
> it is, it makes me
> > glad! I've always wanted bhyve stuff to be in edk2
> and not in
> > edk2-platforms.
> >
> 
> I think it is a good thing to have support for virtual
> platforms in core
> EDK2, given that such a platform is only a download
> away for anyone who
> wants to try it. I am strongly opposed to the idea that
> core EDK2 should
> just be a repository of bits and pieces that platforms
> can incorporate,
> especially because it can make regressions unsolveable
> once we get
> ourselves into a state where reverting some patch fixes
> a problem on one
> platform and creates one on another.
> 
> However, I don't think every platforms in core EDK2 can
> be a first class
> citizen. There is simply no way we can expect
> contributors to make sure
> that their changes don't break under Bhyve, and the
> same will be true
> once (if) we merge kvmtool guest support, which is
> under development as
> well (given that it supports virtualization only, and
> so unlike QEMU,
> which supports emulation as well, it requires a native
> host)
> 
> So I agree that it makes sense to incorporate Bhyve
> into core EDK2, but
> we have to decide on some rules regarding 'second
> class' platforms:
> how/when to test them, and how urgently we treat
> regressions found
> during such testing. We can treat ArmVirtXen the same
> way, imo, as well
> as KvmTool when it lands.
> 
> Whether we create a BhyvePkg depends on our future
> intent wrt merging
> OVMF with other virtual platforms. I think it would
> make sense for the
> ArmVirtPkg and OvmfPkg to be merged at some point, at
> which time it will
> probably make little sense to have a separate BhyvePkg.
> But I'm not sure
> what Laszlo's take is on this.
> 
> In summary, I can live with any of these options, as
> long as the
> underlying rules and assumptions are clarified.
> 


  reply	other threads:[~2020-05-11 16:36 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 25+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2020-05-08 15:44 Where to put the bhyve code in the edk2 repo: BhyvePkg, or under OvmfPkg? Rebecca Cran
2020-05-11 15:55 ` Laszlo Ersek
2020-05-11 16:20   ` Ard Biesheuvel
2020-05-11 16:36     ` Michael D Kinney [this message]
2020-05-11 16:38       ` Andrew Fish
2020-05-11 16:41         ` [edk2-devel] " Michael D Kinney
2020-05-11 21:12       ` Laszlo Ersek
2020-05-11 21:22         ` Michael D Kinney
2020-05-11 21:58           ` [edk2-devel] " Rebecca Cran
2020-05-12  9:28             ` Laszlo Ersek
2020-05-12  9:52               ` Ard Biesheuvel
2020-05-12 15:09                 ` Laszlo Ersek
2020-05-14  2:34               ` Rebecca Cran
2020-05-14 10:24                 ` Laszlo Ersek
2020-05-14 16:20                   ` Rebecca Cran
2020-05-14 17:48                     ` Sean
2020-05-14 18:22                       ` Rebecca Cran
2020-05-14 18:46                         ` Sean
2020-05-14 18:54                           ` Rebecca Cran
2020-05-15  9:39                       ` Laszlo Ersek
2020-05-15  9:42                     ` Laszlo Ersek
2020-05-15  9:47                       ` Ard Biesheuvel
2020-05-15 12:51                         ` Laszlo Ersek
2020-05-15 15:03                           ` Leif Lindholm
2020-05-11 16:25   ` Michael D Kinney

Reply instructions:

You may reply publicly to this message via plain-text email
using any one of the following methods:

* Save the following mbox file, import it into your mail client,
  and reply-to-list from there: mbox

  Avoid top-posting and favor interleaved quoting:
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posting_style#Interleaved_style

* Reply using the --to, --cc, and --in-reply-to
  switches of git-send-email(1):

  git send-email \
    --in-reply-to=MN2PR11MB44612272FBED8F288D7A1851D2A10@MN2PR11MB4461.namprd11.prod.outlook.com \
    --to=devel@edk2.groups.io \
    /path/to/YOUR_REPLY

  https://kernel.org/pub/software/scm/git/docs/git-send-email.html

* If your mail client supports setting the In-Reply-To header
  via mailto: links, try the mailto: link
Be sure your reply has a Subject: header at the top and a blank line before the message body.
This is a public inbox, see mirroring instructions
for how to clone and mirror all data and code used for this inbox