Re: [edk2-devel] [PATCH RESEND v1 0/9] Add DrbgLib

["Yao, Jiewen" <jiewen.yao@intel.com>]

Thanks for the PPT.

It is helpful for me to understand the background. Some questions and suggestions:

1) The PPT jumps from current status (page 7~9) to proposed updates (page 10~12) directly.
I am not sure what is the problem statement. Why we need do the new proposal?

2) Page 11 shows AesLib|AesNiInstructionLib (x64).
Is that something you want to do?
Since X64 already have RDSEED and RDRAND instruction, why this is needed for X64? 

3) Page 11 shows AesLib|SoftAesLib.
Many AES software implementation is vulnerable to side channel attack. 
Will side channel attack be under consideration?
What is security property you want to maintain with the AesLib API and SoftAesLib implementation?
Or this AesLib interface is only for DrbgLib?
What is the API design goal?

4) Page 11 shows that RngLib is still the only public interface.
My concern is that to introduce more RngLib related lib just confuses the consumer.

I already got lots of questions - "We have RngLib and CrytpoLib/RandomBytes(), which one I should use to generate 8 bytes random data?"

Introducing more lib instance means we will have more questions from consumers in the future, such as
A) We have RngLib, TrngLib, DrbgLib, which one I should use to get random data?
B) We have AesLib and CryptoLib/AesXXX() function, which one I should use to encrypt my data?

So far, I don’t see the immediate need for X64 platform, I would like to recommend put them to ArmPkg only.
As such, the generic consumer only knows the RngLib interface.

Thank you
Yao Jiewen


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Pierre Gondois <pierre.gondois@arm.com>
> Sent: Friday, July 1, 2022 5:50 PM
> To: Yao, Jiewen <jiewen.yao@intel.com>; Kinney, Michael D
> <michael.d.kinney@intel.com>; devel@edk2.groups.io
> Cc: Sami Mujawar <sami.mujawar@arm.com>; Leif Lindholm
> <quic_llindhol@quicinc.com>; Ard Biesheuvel <ardb+tianocore@kernel.org>;
> Rebecca Cran <rebecca@bsdio.com>; Gao, Liming
> <gaoliming@byosoft.com.cn>; Wang, Jian J <jian.j.wang@intel.com>
> Subject: Re: [edk2-devel] [PATCH RESEND v1 0/9] Add DrbgLib
> 
> Hello Yao,
> On 6/30/22 03:16, Yao, Jiewen wrote:
> > More question:
> > Please educate me how you plan to include DrbgLib to openssl?
> > Currently, it is using RngLib.
> >
> https://github.com/tianocore/edk2/blob/master/CryptoPkg/Library/OpensslLib/
> OpensslLib.inf#L634?
> 
> There was a discussion about the DrbgLib in late 2020 at:
> https://edk2.groups.io/g/devel/topic/78823009#71619
> 
> The interraction between between all the libraries is described in slide 11 of:
> https://edk2.groups.io/g/devel/files/Designs/2021/0116/EDKII%20-
> %20Proposed%20update%20to%20RNG%20implementation.pdf
> 
> The OpensslLib relies on the RngLib because of this function call:
> https://github.com/tianocore/edk2/blob/master/CryptoPkg/Library/OpensslLib/
> rand_pool.c#L49
> Based on the slide 11, it is possible to have a RngLib implementation
> using the DrbgLib either through RngDxeLib or through a new
> RngLib|RngDrbgLib.
> 
> Regards,
> Pierre
> 
> >
> > Thank you
> > Yao Jiewen
> >
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Kinney, Michael D <michael.d.kinney@intel.com>
> >> Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2022 8:16 AM
> >> To: devel@edk2.groups.io; pierre.gondois@arm.com; Kinney, Michael D
> >> <michael.d.kinney@intel.com>
> >> Cc: Sami Mujawar <sami.mujawar@arm.com>; Leif Lindholm
> >> <quic_llindhol@quicinc.com>; Ard Biesheuvel <ardb+tianocore@kernel.org>;
> >> Rebecca Cran <rebecca@bsdio.com>; Gao, Liming
> >> <gaoliming@byosoft.com.cn>; Yao, Jiewen <jiewen.yao@intel.com>; Wang,
> >> Jian J <jian.j.wang@intel.com>
> >> Subject: RE: [edk2-devel] [PATCH RESEND v1 0/9] Add DrbgLib
> >>
> >> Hi Pierre,
> >>
> >> Can you add to the Patch #0 Summary and the BZ the difference
> >> between the existing RngLib and this new DrbgLib?
> >>
> >> Would you recommend one be implement on top of the other?
> >>
> >> Really glad to see test vectors were used to verify correctness.
> >> Can you consider adding formal unit tests using the UnitTestFrameworkPkg
> >> with those test vectors so a unit test failure would be generated if
> >> maintenance is performed in the future that changes the behavior?
> >>
> >> Thanks,
> >>
> >> Mike
> >>
> >>> -----Original Message-----
> >>> From: devel@edk2.groups.io <devel@edk2.groups.io> On Behalf Of
> >> PierreGondois
> >>> Sent: Wednesday, June 29, 2022 12:19 PM
> >>> To: devel@edk2.groups.io
> >>> Cc: Sami Mujawar <sami.mujawar@arm.com>; Leif Lindholm
> >> <quic_llindhol@quicinc.com>; Ard Biesheuvel <ardb+tianocore@kernel.org>;
> >>> Rebecca Cran <rebecca@bsdio.com>; Kinney, Michael D
> >> <michael.d.kinney@intel.com>; Gao, Liming <gaoliming@byosoft.com.cn>;
> Yao,
> >>> Jiewen <jiewen.yao@intel.com>; Wang, Jian J <jian.j.wang@intel.com>
> >>> Subject: [edk2-devel] [PATCH RESEND v1 0/9] Add DrbgLib
> >>>
> >>> From: Pierre Gondois <pierre.gondois@arm.com>
> >>>
> >>> Bugzilla: Bug 3971 (https://bugzilla.tianocore.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3971)
> >>>
> >>> Add support for a Deterministic Random Bits Generator (Drbg). The
> >>> specifications used are the following:
> >>>
> >>> - [1] NIST Special Publication 800-90A Revision 1, June 2015,
> Recommendation
> >>> 	  for Random Number Generation Using Deterministic Random Bit
> >> Generators.
> >>> 	  (https://csrc.nist.gov/publications/detail/sp/800-90a/rev-1/final)
> >>> - [2] NIST Special Publication 800-90B, Recommendation for the Entropy
> >>> 	  Sources Used for Random Bit Generation.
> >>> 	  (https://csrc.nist.gov/publications/detail/sp/800-90b/final)
> >>> - [3] (Second Draft) NIST Special Publication 800-90C, Recommendation for
> >>> 	  Random Bit Generator (RBG) Constructions.
> >>> 	  (https://csrc.nist.gov/publications/detail/sp/800-90c/draft)
> >>> - [4] NIST Special Publication 800-57 Part 1 Revision 5, May 2020,
> >>> 	  Recommendation for Key Management:Part 1 - General.
> >>>
> >>> The test vectors available in the CTR_DRBG_AES256 sections of
> >>> https://csrc.nist.gov/CSRC/media/Projects/Cryptographic-Standards-and-
> >> Guidelines/documents/examples/CTR_DRBG_noDF.pdf
> >>> were used for validation.
> >>>
> >>> This patch-set can seen at:
> >>> https://github.com/PierreARM/edk2/tree/Arm_Drbg_v1
> >>>
> >>> This patch has the following dependency:
> >>> - [PATCH v3 00/22] Add Raw algorithm support using Arm FW-TRNG
> interface
> >>>    https://edk2.groups.io/g/devel/message/90845
> >>> - [PATCH v1 0/7] Add AesLib and ArmAesLib
> >>>    https://edk2.groups.io/g/devel/message/90878
> >>>
> >>> Pierre Gondois (9):
> >>>    MdePkg/DrbgLib: Drbg library interface definition
> >>>    MdePkg/DrbgLib: Add NULL instance of Drbg Library
> >>>    MdePkg/DrbgLib: Add BitStream implementation
> >>>    MdePkg/DrbgLib: Add Get_entropy_input() implementation
> >>>    MdePkg/DrbgLib: Add common wrappers
> >>>    MdePkg/DrbgLib: Add Ctr Drbg mechanism functions
> >>>    MdePkg/DrbgLib: Add Drbg mechanism functions and module
> >>>    ArmVirtPkg: Kvmtool: Add AesLib/DrbgLib for RngDxe
> >>>    SecurityPkg/RngDxe: Use DrbgLib in RngDxe for Arm
> >>>
> >>>   ArmVirtPkg/ArmVirtKvmTool.dsc                 |    2 +
> >>>   MdePkg/Include/Library/DrbgLib.h              |  172 +++
> >>>   MdePkg/Library/DrbgLib/BitStream.c            | 1114 +++++++++++++++++
> >>>   MdePkg/Library/DrbgLib/BitStream.h            |  366 ++++++
> >>>   MdePkg/Library/DrbgLib/Common.c               |  249 ++++
> >>>   MdePkg/Library/DrbgLib/Common.h               |   74 ++
> >>>   MdePkg/Library/DrbgLib/CtrDrbg.c              |  899 +++++++++++++
> >>>   MdePkg/Library/DrbgLib/CtrDrbg.h              |  100 ++
> >>>   MdePkg/Library/DrbgLib/DrbgLib.c              |  628 ++++++++++
> >>>   MdePkg/Library/DrbgLib/DrbgLib.inf            |   39 +
> >>>   MdePkg/Library/DrbgLib/DrbgLibInternal.h      |  310 +++++
> >>>   MdePkg/Library/DrbgLib/GetEntropyInput.c      |   72 ++
> >>>   MdePkg/Library/DrbgLib/GetEntropyInput.h      |   48 +
> >>>   MdePkg/Library/DrbgLibNull/DrbgLib.c          |  165 +++
> >>>   MdePkg/Library/DrbgLibNull/DrbgLibNull.inf    |   21 +
> >>>   MdePkg/MdePkg.dec                             |    4 +
> >>>   MdePkg/MdePkg.dsc                             |    2 +
> >>>   .../RandomNumberGenerator/RngDxe/ArmRngDxe.c  |   75 +-
> >>>   .../RandomNumberGenerator/RngDxe/RngDxe.inf   |    1 +
> >>>   SecurityPkg/SecurityPkg.dsc                   |    2 +
> >>>   20 files changed, 4342 insertions(+), 1 deletion(-)
> >>>   create mode 100644 MdePkg/Include/Library/DrbgLib.h
> >>>   create mode 100644 MdePkg/Library/DrbgLib/BitStream.c
> >>>   create mode 100644 MdePkg/Library/DrbgLib/BitStream.h
> >>>   create mode 100644 MdePkg/Library/DrbgLib/Common.c
> >>>   create mode 100644 MdePkg/Library/DrbgLib/Common.h
> >>>   create mode 100644 MdePkg/Library/DrbgLib/CtrDrbg.c
> >>>   create mode 100644 MdePkg/Library/DrbgLib/CtrDrbg.h
> >>>   create mode 100644 MdePkg/Library/DrbgLib/DrbgLib.c
> >>>   create mode 100644 MdePkg/Library/DrbgLib/DrbgLib.inf
> >>>   create mode 100644 MdePkg/Library/DrbgLib/DrbgLibInternal.h
> >>>   create mode 100644 MdePkg/Library/DrbgLib/GetEntropyInput.c
> >>>   create mode 100644 MdePkg/Library/DrbgLib/GetEntropyInput.h
> >>>   create mode 100644 MdePkg/Library/DrbgLibNull/DrbgLib.c
> >>>   create mode 100644 MdePkg/Library/DrbgLibNull/DrbgLibNull.inf
> >>>
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