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From: "Andrei Warkentin" <andrei.warkentin@intel.com>
To: Sunil V L <sunilvl@ventanamicro.com>,
	Pedro Falcato <pedro.falcato@gmail.com>
Cc: "devel@edk2.groups.io" <devel@edk2.groups.io>,
	"dhaval@rivosinc.com" <dhaval@rivosinc.com>,
	yorange <yangcheng.work@foxmail.com>,
	Ard Biesheuvel <ardb+tianocore@kernel.org>,
	Leif Lindholm <quic_llindhol@quicinc.com>
Subject: Re: [edk2-devel] [PATCH v10 4/5] MdePkg: Utilize Cache Management Operations Implementation For RISC-V
Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2024 16:19:53 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <PH8PR11MB685612109AF5F1B7DEF69213836A2@PH8PR11MB6856.namprd11.prod.outlook.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <ZZzaPSXFi8RWHX3n@sunil-laptop>

For now, this is really something that ought to be hidden by DmaLib abstraction (Map/Unmap). This would allow the driver to be minimally aware of how the IP is integrated into the SoC.

A

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Sunil V L <sunilvl@ventanamicro.com>
> Sent: Monday, January 8, 2024 11:32 PM
> To: Pedro Falcato <pedro.falcato@gmail.com>
> Cc: devel@edk2.groups.io; dhaval@rivosinc.com; yorange
> <yangcheng.work@foxmail.com>; Warkentin, Andrei
> <andrei.warkentin@intel.com>; Ard Biesheuvel <ardb+tianocore@kernel.org>;
> Leif Lindholm <quic_llindhol@quicinc.com>
> Subject: Re: [edk2-devel] [PATCH v10 4/5] MdePkg: Utilize Cache
> Management Operations Implementation For RISC-V
> 
> On Mon, Jan 08, 2024 at 09:53:46PM +0000, Pedro Falcato wrote:
> > On Mon, Jan 8, 2024 at 4:23 PM Dhaval Sharma <dhaval@rivosinc.com>
> wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi yangcheng/Pedro,
> >
> > +CC a bunch of relevant people
> >
> > Hi, (FYI you did not CC me)
> >
> > Looking at yangcheng's example:
> >
> >   Status = PrepareDmaData (gpIdmacDesc, Length, Buffer); <-- We write
> > to the IDMAC desc
> >   if (EFI_ERROR (Status)) {
> >     goto out;
> >   }
> >
> >   WriteBackDataCacheRange (gpIdmacDesc, DescPages * EFI_PAGE_SIZE);
> > <-- Make sure it's DMA-coherent
> >   StartDma (Length); <-- We've flushed the cache, everything is now in
> > DRAM and DMA-coherent, start DMA
> >
> > which screams of "bad abstractions" because you don't actually need to
> > write data back, if the device and platform are DMA coherent.
> >
> > So what we want here really depends. My local "Volume I: RISC-V
> > Unprivileged ISA V20191213" says, section A.5:
> >
> > "Table A.5 provides a mapping of Linux memory ordering macros onto
> > RISC-V memory instructions.
> > The Linux fences dma rmb() and dma wmb() map onto FENCE R,R and FENCE
> > W,W, respectively, since the RISC-V Unix Platform requires coherent
> > DMA, but would be mapped onto FENCE RI,RI and FENCE WO,WO,
> > respectively, on a platform with non-coherent DMA.
> > Platforms with non-
> > coherent DMA may also require a mechanism by which cache lines can be
> > flushed and/or invalidated.
> > Such mechanisms will be device-specific and/or standardized in a
> > future extension to the ISA."
> >
> > The (current date) RISCV Platform Spec also says: "Memory accesses by
> > I/O masters can be coherent or non-coherent with respect to all
> > hart-related caches."
> > which is brilliantly useless.
> >
> > so I think the best solution here is to:
> >
> > 1) Add a new PCD for platform DMA coherency, and test that on
> > WriteBackDataCacheRange's ASSERT (if (!Coherent) ASSERT() else
> > return;)
> > 2) Add a more abstracting API that doesn't necessarily map to
> > WriteBackDataCache when all we wanted was to assert DMA coherency
> >
> > but, alas, I've seen a lot less funky platforms than many of you, and
> > DMA/cache-coherency is not really my thing, so I'll defer to others..
> >
> My preference is just remove the assertion and add the debug verbose
> message instead of changing drivers/introduce new interfaces. It is a nop in
> linux as well if CMO is not present.
> 
> Thanks,
> Sunil


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  reply	other threads:[~2024-01-09 16:20 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 18+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-12-13 14:59 [edk2-devel] [PATCH v10 0/5] Cache Management Operations Support For RISC-V Dhaval Sharma
2023-12-13 14:59 ` [edk2-devel] [PATCH v10 1/5] MdePkg: Move RISC-V Cache Management Declarations Into BaseLib Dhaval Sharma
2023-12-13 14:59 ` [edk2-devel] [PATCH v10 2/5] MdePkg: Rename Cache Management Function To Clarify Fence Based Op Dhaval Sharma
2023-12-13 14:59 ` [edk2-devel] [PATCH v10 3/5] MdePkg: Implement RISC-V Cache Management Operations Dhaval Sharma
2023-12-13 14:59 ` [edk2-devel] [PATCH v10 4/5] MdePkg: Utilize Cache Management Operations Implementation For RISC-V Dhaval Sharma
2023-12-19  7:28   ` Sunil V L
2023-12-19  7:33     ` Dhaval Sharma
2024-01-08 13:21   ` Laszlo Ersek
2024-01-08 15:26     ` yorange
2024-01-08 16:23       ` Dhaval Sharma
2024-01-08 21:53         ` Pedro Falcato
2024-01-09  5:31           ` Sunil V L
2024-01-09 16:19             ` Andrei Warkentin [this message]
2024-01-12  7:15               ` Dhaval Sharma
2024-01-09  2:14       ` yorange
2023-12-13 14:59 ` [edk2-devel] [PATCH v10 5/5] OvmfPkg/RiscVVirt: Override for RISC-V CPU Features Dhaval Sharma
2023-12-19  7:31   ` Sunil V L
2023-12-19 14:01 ` [edk2-devel] [PATCH v10 0/5] Cache Management Operations Support For RISC-V Sunil V L

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