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charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Has there been any progress on this "code-first process" proposal? Any time= line on when we should expect it to be launched? Thanks, --Samer -----Original Message----- From: devel@edk2.groups.io On Behalf Of Felix Polyu= dov via Groups.Io Sent: Friday, February 14, 2020 10:30 AM To: rfc@edk2.groups.io; 'leif@nuviainc.com' ; devel@edk= 2.groups.io Subject: Re: [edk2-devel] [edk2-rfc] [RFC] code-first process for UEFI-for= um specifications Leif, >The process does not in fact change the UEFI bylaws - the change is >that the development (of both specification and code) happens in the >open. The resulting specification update is then submitted to the >appropriate working goup as an Engineering Change Request (ECR), and >voted on. For the UEFI Forum, this is a change in workflow, not a change = in process. I think it would be good to add more details regarding the interaction bet= ween edk2 and UEFI forum. Here is what I suggest: Each specification update Bugzilla ticket must have a sponsor. 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