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From: Paolo Bonzini <pbonzini@redhat.com>
To: "Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com>, Laszlo Ersek <lersek@redhat.com>
Cc: SeaBIOS devel list <SeaBIOS@seabios.org>,
	qemu devel list <qemu-devel@nongnu.org>,
	edk2-devel-ml01 <edk2-devel@ml01.01.org>,
	"Kevin O'Connor" <kevin@koconnor.net>,
	Ard Biesheuvel <ard.biesheuvel@linaro.org>,
	Ben Warren <ben@skyportsystems.com>,
	Dongjiu Geng <gengdongjiu@huawei.com>,
	Igor Mammedov <imammedo@redhat.com>,
	"Jordan Justen (Intel address)" <jordan.l.justen@intel.com>,
	"Leif Lindholm (Linaro address)" <leif.lindholm@linaro.org>,
	Shannon Zhao <zhaoshenglong@huawei.com>,
	Stefan Berger <stefanb@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
	Xiao Guangrong <guangrong.xiao@linux.intel.com>,
	"Dr. David Alan Gilbert" <dgilbert@redhat.com>,
	Gerd Hoffmann <kraxel@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: allocation zone extensions for the firmware linker/loader
Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2017 18:05:07 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <ad8ca556-a650-499e-2e72-35e2350abf6c@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20170608204207-mutt-send-email-mst@kernel.org>



On 08/06/2017 19:44, Michael S. Tsirkin wrote:
> On Tue, Jun 06, 2017 at 08:10:17PM +0200, Laszlo Ersek wrote:
>> On 06/05/17 18:02, Michael S. Tsirkin wrote:
>>> On Sat, Jun 03, 2017 at 09:36:23AM +0200, Laszlo Ersek wrote:
>>>> On 06/02/17 17:45, Laszlo Ersek wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> The patches can cause linker/loader breakage when old firmware is booted
>>>>> on new QEMU. However, that's no problem (it's nothing new), the next
>>>>> release of QEMU should bundle the new firmware binaries as always.
>>>>
>>>> Dave made a good point (which I should have realized myself, really!),
>>>> namely if you launch old fw on old qemu, then migrate the guest to a new
>>>> qemu and then reboot the guest on the target host, within the migrated
>>>> VM, things will break.
>>>>
>>>> So that makes this approach dead in the water.
>>>>
>>>> Possible mitigations I could think of:
>>>> - Make it machine type dependent. Complicated (we don't usually bind
>>>> ACPI generation to machine types) and wouldn't help existing devices.
>>>> - Let the firmware negotiate these extensions. Very complicated (new
>>>> fw-cfg files are needed for negotiation) and wouldn't help existing devices.
>>>
>>> This last option *shouldn't* be complicated. If it is something's wrong.
>>>
>>> Maybe we made a mistake when we added etc/smi/*features*.
>>>
>>> It's not too late to move these to etc/*features* for new
>>> machine types if we want to and if you can do the firmware
>>> work. Then you'd just take out a bit and be done with it.
>>>
>>> I don't insist on doing the ACPI thing now but I do think
>>> infrastructure for negotiating extensions should be there.
>>
>> Different drivers in the firmware would need to negotiate different
>> questions / features with QEMU independently of each other. The "thing"
>> in OVMF that negotiates (and uses) the SMI broadcast is very-very
>> different and separate from the "thing" in OVMF that handles the ACPI
>> linker/loader script.
> 
> They both could call a common library.
> 
> Also, we don't need separate fw cfg files - we could
> reserve ranges of bits in a single file.
> E.g. bits 0-31 - smi, 32-63 - tseg, etc.

TSEG size is an integer, not a boolean...

Paolo


      parent reply	other threads:[~2017-06-12 16:04 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 22+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2017-06-02 15:45 allocation zone extensions for the firmware linker/loader Laszlo Ersek
2017-06-02 15:59 ` [qemu PATCH 0/7] bios-linker-loader: introduce the NOACPI hint and the 64-bit zone for ALLOCATE Laszlo Ersek
2017-06-02 16:00   ` [qemu PATCH 1/7] hw/acpi/bios-linker-loader: expose allocation zone as an enum Laszlo Ersek
2017-06-02 16:00   ` [qemu PATCH 2/7] hw/acpi/bios-linker-loader: introduce "no ACPI tables" content hint for ALLOC Laszlo Ersek
2017-06-02 16:00   ` [qemu PATCH 3/7] hw/acpi/bios-linker-loader: introduce BIOS_LINKER_LOADER_ALLOC_ZONE_64BIT Laszlo Ersek
2017-06-02 16:00   ` [qemu PATCH 4/7] hw/acpi/nvdimm: ask the firmware to allocate NVDIMM_DSM_MEM_FILE as NOACPI Laszlo Ersek
2017-06-02 16:00   ` [qemu PATCH 5/7] hw/acpi/vmgenid: ask the fw to alloc VMGENID_GUID_FW_CFG_FILE " Laszlo Ersek
2017-06-02 16:00   ` [qemu PATCH 6/7] hw/i386/acpi-build: ask the fw to alloc ACPI_BUILD_TPMLOG_FILE with 64bit/NOACPI Laszlo Ersek
2017-06-02 16:00   ` [qemu PATCH 7/7] hw/arm/virt-acpi-build: make the fw alloc blobs with ACPI tables as 64bit Laszlo Ersek
2017-06-02 16:02 ` [seabios PATCH 0/2] romfile_loader: cope with the UEFI-oriented allocation extensions Laszlo Ersek
2017-06-02 16:02   ` [seabios PATCH 1/2] romfile_loader: alloc: cope with the UEFI-oriented NOACPI content hint Laszlo Ersek
2017-06-02 16:02   ` [seabios PATCH 2/2] romfile_loader: alloc: cope with the UEFI-oriented 64BIT zone hint Laszlo Ersek
2017-06-02 16:03 ` [edk2 PATCH 0/3] OvmfPkg/AcpiPlatformDxe: NOACPI hint and 64-bit zone in fw_cfg blob alloc Laszlo Ersek
2017-06-02 16:03   ` [edk2 PATCH 1/3] OvmfPkg/AcpiPlatformDxe: rename BLOB.HostsOnlyTableData to BLOB.Releasable Laszlo Ersek
2017-06-02 16:03   ` [edk2 PATCH 2/3] OvmfPkg/AcpiPlatformDxe: support NOACPI content hint in ALLOCATE command Laszlo Ersek
2017-06-02 16:03   ` [edk2 PATCH 3/3] OvmfPkg/AcpiPlatformDxe: support 64-bit zone " Laszlo Ersek
     [not found] ` <20170602191230-mutt-send-email-mst@kernel.org>
2017-06-02 23:20   ` allocation zone extensions for the firmware linker/loader Laszlo Ersek
2017-06-03  7:36 ` Laszlo Ersek
2017-06-05  9:54   ` [Qemu-devel] " Igor Mammedov
2017-06-06 17:52     ` Laszlo Ersek
     [not found]   ` <20170605185815-mutt-send-email-mst@kernel.org>
2017-06-06 18:10     ` Laszlo Ersek
     [not found]       ` <20170608204207-mutt-send-email-mst@kernel.org>
2017-06-12 16:05         ` Paolo Bonzini [this message]

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