From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Authentication-Results: mx.groups.io; dkim=pass header.i=@infradead.org header.s=merlin.20170209 header.b=nqhIFZku; spf=none, err=permanent DNS error (domain: merlin.srs.infradead.org, ip: 205.233.59.134, mailfrom: batv+4a5a9edcbe01b6acb2b7+5785+infradead.org+dwmw2@merlin.srs.infradead.org) Received: from merlin.infradead.org (merlin.infradead.org [205.233.59.134]) by groups.io with SMTP; Wed, 26 Jun 2019 05:41:15 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=infradead.org; s=merlin.20170209; h=Mime-Version:Content-Type:References: In-Reply-To:Date:To:From:Subject:Message-ID:Sender:Reply-To:Cc: Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-ID:Content-Description:Resent-Date: Resent-From:Resent-Sender:Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID:List-Id: List-Help:List-Unsubscribe:List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=L/qJOlPtiNYUh9B7+mWNRfvNy780kYKhcMMpLLs6Vsc=; b=nqhIFZkundKN8NN21uCexViuF 8Mhv57PuHk819h6I5KIle8xowCuMaIZ/0BJPN8YJz7o5wQBqJnXDVDdnRZ+724bTVAQb1qhVffA18 MC4lNpGeoB7qfVUqaqfBRCz7Age28iFZjDRmoUQ/FKdjr4HfMe4yivOsG7aWrw21Gjv04DCxtNnxy NNjUyYZHoTt8UMrBX3/obKZJ7/2NbB+pbZ162POIZw5iteWqcTC9QStXRX3c0mfWDzwWiHfDTVWVJ WHRtJl2zTsH7C0DA11h95YuvKN3bsRvEg6hCzXGsZM4x3JXiPlWmuGRbc8+zj7rLUwG9a6wtCpdXv /Uozv1tgw==; Received: from [54.239.6.177] (helo=vpn-10-85-89-27.fra53.corp.amazon.com) by merlin.infradead.org with esmtpsa (Exim 4.92 #3 (Red Hat Linux)) id 1hg7Ef-0006w6-D1; Wed, 26 Jun 2019 12:41:13 +0000 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [edk2-devel] [PATCH v3 0/4] OvmfPkg: CSM boot fixes From: "David Woodhouse" To: devel@edk2.groups.io, lersek@redhat.com Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2019 13:41:11 +0100 In-Reply-To: <3e5e44e2c2714ddf0aeb604023ae6ad07b789583.camel@infradead.org> References: <15ABBC9A305FBCEC.16820@groups.io> <536d4b904ecc507b84eaefd8c34510e72e38ec67.camel@infradead.org> <3e5e44e2c2714ddf0aeb604023ae6ad07b789583.camel@infradead.org> X-Mailer: Evolution 3.28.5-0ubuntu0.18.04.1 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-SRS-Rewrite: SMTP reverse-path rewritten from by merlin.infradead.org. See http://www.infradead.org/rpr.html X-Groupsio-MsgNum: 42893 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg="sha-256"; protocol="application/x-pkcs7-signature"; boundary="=-r/CGJrfQbK046rFT4KGr" --=-r/CGJrfQbK046rFT4KGr Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, 2019-06-26 at 13:33 +0100, David Woodhouse wrote: >=20 > Wow, this is just completely brain-damaged on so many levels. So people > who do, and who don't, have that box checked will receive the same > message with *different* Message-Id: headers? >=20 > If one of them replies, the In-Reply-To: threading header in their > reply will refer to a message that *doesn't* exist in the other > person's mailbox. This kind of explains why threading was so broken for > messages on the list, with some response getting 'lost' because they > were detached from the thread. This does not facilitate effective > communication. >=20 > Did nobody at groups.io ever stop and think this through? Can it really > not be turned off for the whole list? Why on earth did we move the list > to somewhere that can't even get the *basics* right? Ah, so it's not *quite* as broken as that, because it does only mangle a user's *own* messages back to them; not all messages to them. So threading works a bit.... except for threads you *participate* in. Yay! But at least opting out can mostly isolate an individual from the adverse effects of this strangeness, and it isn't inflicted upon us (much) by others who haven't opted out. > Should I offer to set one up @lists.infradead.org? 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