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From: "Oliver Smith-Denny" <osde@linux.microsoft.com>
To: Ard Biesheuvel <ardb@kernel.org>
Cc: devel@edk2.groups.io, Ray Ni <ray.ni@intel.com>,
	Jiewen Yao <jiewen.yao@intel.com>,
	Gerd Hoffmann <kraxel@redhat.com>,
	Taylor Beebe <t@taylorbeebe.com>,
	Oliver Smith-Denny <osd@smith-denny.com>,
	Dandan Bi <dandan.bi@intel.com>,
	Liming Gao <gaoliming@byosoft.com.cn>,
	"Kinney, Michael D" <michael.d.kinney@intel.com>,
	Leif Lindholm <quic_llindhol@quicinc.com>,
	Sunil V L <sunilvl@ventanamicro.com>,
	Andrei Warkentin <andrei.warkentin@intel.com>
Subject: Re: [edk2-devel] [RFC PATCH 07/10] MdeModulePkg/PeiCore: Apply restricted permissions in image loader
Date: Tue, 30 May 2023 09:51:02 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <d96e36d1-79d7-0786-97d4-d04be0907fcb@linux.microsoft.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAMj1kXHiFkwowN7U6sXks-e-=Qhcz1T4WbBi7mY_swhDuxjSXg@mail.gmail.com>

On 5/25/2023 2:29 PM, Ard Biesheuvel wrote:
> On Thu, 25 May 2023 at 19:21, Oliver Smith-Denny
> <osde@linux.microsoft.com> wrote:
>>
>> On 5/25/2023 7:30 AM, Ard Biesheuvel wrote:
>>> +  if (Private->MemoryAttributePpi == NULL) {
>>>
>>> +    return EFI_SUCCESS;
>>
>> We will have a gap here before the MemoryAttributePpi is installed,
>> obviously, when CpuPei is installed. Is the expectation that only
>> dependencies for CpuPei will be launched before and everything else
>> will have a dependency on CpuPei?
>>
>> Or, is it that shadowed PEIMs won't happen before CpuPei? I am curious
>> how big or small of a gap this really is.
>>
> 
> There are two different cases to consider here:
> - First, there is the DxeIpl, which will rely on the PPI (via the
> image loader and directly) to map the DXE core and the NX stack. The
> DxeIpl will not proceed with that until all PEIMs are dispatched, so
> if the PPI is going to be exposed, it will be available by that time.
> - Then there are the shadowed PEIMs, and given that shadowed PEIMs
> implicitly depend on PEI permanent memory having been installed, the
> only requirement here is that, if the platform needs/wants this for
> shadowed PEIMs as well, the PEIM that installs the PEI permanent
> memory should depex on the PPI.
> 

I see, thanks for the explanation. While this is not the main point
of this patchset, I do think that the core should own the memory
protections of the shadowed PEIMs, instead of relying on the platform
to do the right thing (which it never does :). Sure, this is gated by
PCDs that the platform sets, but that is a simpler interface than
requiring a new depex.

Perhaps this is not trivial, as I assume the permanent memory
installation happens in a platform specific PEIM? And as such would
require a PPI notification in the core for the memory attributes PPI,
which would lead to additional undesirable complexity.

>>>
>>> +  }
>>>
>>> +
>>>
>>> +  //
>>>
>>> +  // PEI phase executables must be able to execute in place from read-only NOR
>>>
>>> +  // flash, and so they can be mapped read-only in their entirety.
>>>
>>> +  //
>>>
>>> +  if ((FileType == EFI_FV_FILETYPE_PEI_CORE) ||
>>>
>>> +      (FileType == EFI_FV_FILETYPE_PEIM) ||
>>>
>>> +      (FileType == EFI_FV_FILETYPE_COMBINED_PEIM_DRIVER))
>>>
>>> +  {
>>
>> We are calling this from PEI Core, will we have more images of type
>> PEI Core? I understand if this is for completeness, but just making
>> sure I understand the flow.
>>
> 
> PEI core itself may be shadowed as well, and will be mapped read-only
> as well if it is included here.
> 

Gotcha, thanks.

Oliver

  reply	other threads:[~2023-05-30 16:51 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 31+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-05-25 14:30 [RFC PATCH 00/10] Add PPI to manage PEI phase memory attributes Ard Biesheuvel
2023-05-25 14:30 ` [RFC PATCH 01/10] ArmPkg/ArmMmuLib: Extend API to manage memory permissions better Ard Biesheuvel
2023-05-25 14:30 ` [RFC PATCH 02/10] ArmPkg/CpuDxe: Simplify memory attributes protocol implementation Ard Biesheuvel
2023-05-25 14:30 ` [RFC PATCH 03/10] ArmPkg/CpuPei: Drop bogus DEPEX on PEI permanent memory Ard Biesheuvel
2023-05-25 14:30 ` [RFC PATCH 04/10] OvmfPkg/RiscVVirt: Remove unimplemented NxForStack configuration Ard Biesheuvel
2023-05-29 12:50   ` Sunil V L
2023-05-25 14:30 ` [RFC PATCH 05/10] MdeModulePkg: Define memory attribute PPI Ard Biesheuvel
2023-05-30  7:15   ` Ni, Ray
2023-05-30  7:32     ` Ard Biesheuvel
2023-05-31  7:33       ` Ni, Ray
2023-05-31  7:53         ` Ard Biesheuvel
2023-05-31  8:56           ` [edk2-devel] " Ni, Ray
2023-05-31  9:24             ` Ard Biesheuvel
2023-05-25 14:30 ` [RFC PATCH 06/10] ArmPkg/CpuPei: Implement the memory attributes PPI Ard Biesheuvel
2023-05-25 14:30 ` [RFC PATCH 07/10] MdeModulePkg/PeiCore: Apply restricted permissions in image loader Ard Biesheuvel
2023-05-25 17:21   ` [edk2-devel] " Oliver Smith-Denny
2023-05-25 21:29     ` Ard Biesheuvel
2023-05-30 16:51       ` Oliver Smith-Denny [this message]
2023-05-30 20:51         ` Ard Biesheuvel
2023-05-25 14:30 ` [RFC PATCH 08/10] MdeModulePkg/DxeIpl: Merge EBC, RISCV64 and LOONGARCH code Ard Biesheuvel
2023-05-25 14:30 ` [RFC PATCH 09/10] MdeModulePkg/DxeIpl: Use memory attribute PPI to remap the stack NX Ard Biesheuvel
2023-05-30  7:19   ` Ni, Ray
2023-05-30 10:25     ` duntan
2023-05-30 12:51       ` Ard Biesheuvel
2023-05-31  7:22         ` Gerd Hoffmann
2023-05-31  1:29       ` Ni, Ray
2023-05-31 19:03         ` [edk2-devel] " Lendacky, Thomas
2023-05-31 21:01           ` Ard Biesheuvel
2023-05-25 14:30 ` [RFC PATCH 10/10] MdeModulePkg/DxeIpl ARM AARCH64: Switch to generic handoff code Ard Biesheuvel
2023-05-25 17:20 ` [edk2-devel] [RFC PATCH 00/10] Add PPI to manage PEI phase memory attributes Oliver Smith-Denny
2023-05-25 21:43   ` Ard Biesheuvel

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