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From: "Laszlo Ersek" <lersek@redhat.com>
To: "Yao, Jiewen" <jiewen.yao@intel.com>,
	"devel@edk2.groups.io" <devel@edk2.groups.io>,
	"rebecca@bsdio.com" <rebecca@bsdio.com>,
	"Justen, Jordan L" <jordan.l.justen@intel.com>,
	Ard Biesheuvel <ard.biesheuvel@linaro.org>
Subject: Re: [edk2-devel] Adding Bhyve support into upstream EDK2
Date: Sat, 7 Mar 2020 08:53:00 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <dcf6724e-6feb-dbed-ae98-edea9f089e06@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <c3e5ac54-9b64-7cee-3813-cf1fdbce9e64@redhat.com>

On 03/07/20 08:39, Laszlo Ersek wrote:
> Hi Jiewen,
> 
> On 03/07/20 02:43, Yao, Jiewen wrote:
>> Just saw Laszlo's email. Similar feedback. Especially, I like the regression test part.
> 
> Thanks.
> 
>> I am not sure how many virtual platforms we will have eventually.
>> If there are more and more, maybe we can create a new edk2-virt-platform repo, and put them together there. (Similar to edk2-platform repo for the physical platform)
> 
> Regarding the last part ("move them together here") -- I'm 100% opposed
> to removing OvmfPkg and ArmVirtPkg from edk2. They *must* remain in the
> exact same git repository where the core (MdePkg, MdeModulePkg,
> CryptoPkg, SecurityPkg, UefiCpuPkg, ...) lives too, and share a common
> git history.
> 
> ArmVirtPkg and OvmfPkg move very closely together with the core, most
> significant ArmVirtPkg and OvmfPkg contributions need changes (and
> therefore introduce new dependencies) on the core. Managing such
> dependencies is a nightmare evein with git submodules; it only works if
> the git history is shared. This problem is not theoretical, it already
> has a bad effect on edk2-platforms.
> 
> [...]

... now I expect this might raise the question why my stance on
consuming submodules in edk2 itself is different -- i.e., why it is that
I *like* edk2 to consume OpenSSL, brotli (TianoCore#2558,
TianoCore#2559), Oniguruma (TianoCore#2073) etc through git submodules.

Here's why: because we mostly treat those projects as black boxes.

- The contributor audiences for those projects hardly overlap with edk2
developers.

- The development workflows sharply differ.

- The rate of change introduced into those projects, for addressing
consumer (i.e., edk2) needs, is very low.

This is very much not the case between edk2, and: ArmVirtPkg and OvmfPkg
(and, again edk2-platforms).

Thanks
Laszlo


      parent reply	other threads:[~2020-03-07  7:53 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 30+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2020-03-06 16:09 Adding Bhyve support into upstream EDK2 Rebecca Cran
2020-03-06 19:54 ` Laszlo Ersek
2020-03-06 20:04   ` [edk2-devel] " Laszlo Ersek
2020-03-07  1:29 ` Yao, Jiewen
2020-03-24  1:34   ` Rebecca Cran
2020-03-25  0:04     ` Laszlo Ersek
2020-03-25 18:18       ` [EXTERNAL] " Bret Barkelew
2020-03-27 12:56         ` Laszlo Ersek
2020-03-25 18:50       ` Rebecca Cran
     [not found] ` <15F9E16A0219E7B7.19404@groups.io>
2020-03-07  1:43   ` Yao, Jiewen
2020-03-07  7:39     ` Laszlo Ersek
2020-03-07  7:52       ` Ard Biesheuvel
2020-03-08  2:40         ` Rebecca Cran
2020-03-09  6:08         ` Sean
2020-03-09 22:54           ` Laszlo Ersek
2020-03-09 23:17             ` Laszlo Ersek
2020-03-10  1:50               ` Sean
2020-03-10  9:05                 ` Laszlo Ersek
2020-03-10 17:25                   ` Sean
2020-03-10 17:54                     ` Ard Biesheuvel
2020-03-10 19:10                       ` Sean
2020-03-10 19:23                         ` Michael D Kinney
2020-03-10 19:44                           ` Sean
2020-03-10 20:04                             ` Rebecca Cran
2020-03-11  0:05                             ` Laszlo Ersek
2020-03-11  0:30                               ` Sean
2020-03-11  3:21                             ` Liming Gao
2020-03-10 23:34                     ` Laszlo Ersek
2020-03-11  0:43           ` Leif Lindholm
2020-03-07  7:53       ` Laszlo Ersek [this message]

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