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From: "Laszlo Ersek" <lersek@redhat.com>
To: Ankur Arora <ankur.a.arora@oracle.com>, devel@edk2.groups.io
Cc: imammedo@redhat.com, boris.ostrovsky@oracle.com,
	Jordan Justen <jordan.l.justen@intel.com>,
	Ard Biesheuvel <ard.biesheuvel@arm.com>,
	Aaron Young <aaron.young@oracle.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v6 7/9] OvmfPkg/CpuHotplugSmm: add CpuEject()
Date: Wed, 3 Feb 2021 21:58:50 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <e32560c5-64e3-86b4-0af8-df3035d63617@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <c5012e28-1675-9c1b-afe5-32eb4ac4fed0@oracle.com>

On 02/03/21 07:45, Ankur Arora wrote:
> On 2021-02-02 6:15 a.m., Laszlo Ersek wrote:
>> On 02/02/21 15:00, Laszlo Ersek wrote:
>>
>>> ... I guess that volatile-qualifying both CPU_HOT_EJECT_DATA, and the
>>> array pointed-to by CPU_HOT_EJECT_DATA.ApicIdMap, should suffice. In
>>> combination with the sync-up point that you quoted. This seems to match
>>> existing practice in PiSmmCpuDxeSmm -- there are no concurrent accesses,
>>> so atomicity is not a concern, and serializing the instruction streams
>>> coarsely, with the sync-up, in combination with volatile accesses,
>>> should presumably guarantee visibility (on x86 anyway).
>>
>> To summarize, this is what I would ask for:
>>
>> - make CPU_HOT_EJECT_DATA volatile
>>
>> - make (*CPU_HOT_EJECT_DATA.ApicIdMap) volatile
>>
>> - after storing something to CPU_HOT_EJECT_DATA or
>> CPU_HOT_EJECT_DATA.ApicIdMap on the BSP, execute a MemoryFence()
>>
>> - before fetching something from CPU_HOT_EJECT_DATA or
>> CPU_HOT_EJECT_DATA.ApicIdMap on an AP, execute a MemoryFence()
>>
>>
>> Except: MemoryFence() isn't a *memory fence* in fact.
>>
>> See "MdePkg/Library/BaseLib/X64/GccInline.c".
>>
>> It's just a compiler barrier, which may not add anything beyond what
>> we'd already have from "volatile".
>>
>> Case in point: PiSmmCpuDxeSmm performs heavy multi-processing, but does
>> not contain a single invocation of MemoryFence(). It uses volatile
>> objects, and a handful of InterlockedCompareExchangeXx() calls, for
>> implementing semaphores. (NB: there is no 8-bit variant of
>> InterlockedCompareExchange(), as "volatile UINT8" is considered atomic
>> in itself, and a suitable basis for a sempahore too.) And given the
>> synchronization from those semaphores, PiSmmCpuDpxeSmm trusts that
>> updates to the *other* volatile objects are both atomic and visible.
>>
>> I'm pretty sure this only works because x86 is in-order. There are
>> instruction stream barriers in place, and compiler barriers too, but no
>> actual memory barriers.
> 
> Right and just to separate them explicitly, there are two problems:
> 
>  - compiler: where the compiler caches stuff in or looks at stale memory
> locations. Now, AFAICS, this should not happen because the ApicIdMap would
> never change once set so the compiler should reasonably be able to cache
> the address of ApicIdMap and dereference it (thus obviating the need for
> volatile.)

(CPU_HOT_EJECT_DATA.Handler does change though.)

> The compiler could, however, cache any assignments to ApicIdMap[Idx]
> (especially given LTO) and we could use a MemoryFence() (as the compiler
> barrier that it is) to force the store.
> 
>  - CPU pipeline: as you said, right now we basically depend on x86 store
> order semantics (and the CpuPause() loop around AllCpusInSync, kinda
> provides
> a barrier.)
> 
> So the BSP writes in this order:
> ApicIdMap[Idx]=x; ... ->AllCpusInSync = true
> 
> And whenever the AP sees ->AllCpusInSync == True, it has to now see
> ApicIdMap[Idx] == x.

Yes.

> 
> Maybe the thing to do is to detail this barrier in a commit note/comment?

That would be nice.

> And add the MemoryFence() but not the volatile.

Yes, that should work.

Thanks,
Laszlo


  reply	other threads:[~2021-02-03 20:58 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 52+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-01-29  0:59 [PATCH v6 0/9] support CPU hot-unplug Ankur Arora
2021-01-29  0:59 ` [PATCH v6 1/9] OvmfPkg/CpuHotplugSmm: refactor hotplug logic Ankur Arora
2021-01-30  1:15   ` [edk2-devel] " Laszlo Ersek
2021-02-02  6:19     ` Ankur Arora
2021-02-01  2:59   ` Laszlo Ersek
2021-01-29  0:59 ` [PATCH v6 2/9] OvmfPkg/CpuHotplugSmm: collect hot-unplug events Ankur Arora
2021-01-30  2:18   ` Laszlo Ersek
2021-01-30  2:23     ` Laszlo Ersek
2021-02-02  6:03     ` Ankur Arora
2021-01-29  0:59 ` [PATCH v6 3/9] OvmfPkg/CpuHotplugSmm: add Qemu Cpu Status helper Ankur Arora
2021-01-30  2:36   ` Laszlo Ersek
2021-02-02  6:04     ` Ankur Arora
2021-01-29  0:59 ` [PATCH v6 4/9] OvmfPkg/CpuHotplugSmm: introduce UnplugCpus() Ankur Arora
2021-01-30  2:37   ` Laszlo Ersek
2021-02-01  3:13   ` Laszlo Ersek
2021-02-03  4:28     ` Ankur Arora
2021-02-03 19:20       ` Laszlo Ersek
2021-01-29  0:59 ` [PATCH v6 5/9] OvmfPkg/CpuHotplugSmm: define CPU_HOT_EJECT_DATA Ankur Arora
2021-02-01  4:53   ` Laszlo Ersek
2021-02-02  6:15     ` Ankur Arora
2021-01-29  0:59 ` [PATCH v6 6/9] OvmfPkg/SmmCpuFeaturesLib: init CPU ejection state Ankur Arora
2021-02-01 13:36   ` Laszlo Ersek
2021-02-03  5:20     ` Ankur Arora
2021-02-03 20:36       ` Laszlo Ersek
2021-02-04  2:58         ` Ankur Arora
2021-01-29  0:59 ` [PATCH v6 7/9] OvmfPkg/CpuHotplugSmm: add CpuEject() Ankur Arora
2021-02-01 16:11   ` Laszlo Ersek
2021-02-01 19:08   ` Laszlo Ersek
2021-02-01 20:12     ` Ankur Arora
2021-02-02 14:00       ` Laszlo Ersek
2021-02-02 14:15         ` Laszlo Ersek
2021-02-03  6:45           ` Ankur Arora
2021-02-03 20:58             ` Laszlo Ersek [this message]
2021-02-04  2:49               ` Ankur Arora
2021-02-04  8:58                 ` Laszlo Ersek
2021-02-05 16:06                 ` [edk2-devel] " Laszlo Ersek
2021-02-08  5:04                   ` Ankur Arora
2021-02-03  6:13         ` Ankur Arora
2021-02-03 20:55           ` Laszlo Ersek
2021-02-04  2:57             ` Ankur Arora
2021-01-29  0:59 ` [PATCH v6 8/9] OvmfPkg/CpuHotplugSmm: add worker to do CPU ejection Ankur Arora
2021-02-01 17:22   ` Laszlo Ersek
2021-02-01 19:21     ` Ankur Arora
2021-02-02 13:23       ` Laszlo Ersek
2021-02-03  5:41         ` Ankur Arora
2021-01-29  0:59 ` [PATCH v6 9/9] OvmfPkg/SmmControl2Dxe: negotiate CPU hot-unplug Ankur Arora
2021-02-01 17:37   ` Laszlo Ersek
2021-02-01 17:40     ` Laszlo Ersek
2021-02-01 17:48       ` Laszlo Ersek
2021-02-03  5:46     ` Ankur Arora
2021-02-03 20:45       ` Laszlo Ersek
2021-02-04  3:04         ` Ankur Arora

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