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From: "Paolo Bonzini" <pbonzini@redhat.com>
To: Ard Biesheuvel <ard.biesheuvel@linaro.org>,
	Laszlo Ersek <lersek@redhat.com>
Cc: "qemu devel list" <qemu-devel@nongnu.org>,
	"Daniel P. Berrange" <berrange@redhat.com>,
	edk2-devel-groups-io <devel@edk2.groups.io>,
	"Philippe Mathieu-Daudé" <philmd@redhat.com>,
	"Bret Barkelew" <Bret.Barkelew@microsoft.com>,
	"Sean Brogan" <sean.brogan@microsoft.com>,
	"Jian J Wang" <jian.j.wang@intel.com>,
	"Erik Bjorge" <erik.c.bjorge@intel.com>
Subject: Re: privileged entropy sources in QEMU/KVM guests
Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2019 12:37:11 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <ef126cd5-7b64-1b8a-ca74-11bd06b5f4b1@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAKv+Gu8gqfu_mOm2zK64dmj5CkVaPvix3gEMEFQScyk1CnOv6w@mail.gmail.com>

On 07/11/19 11:25, Ard Biesheuvel wrote:
>> This looks problematic on QEMU. Entropy is a valuable resource, and
>> whatever resource SMM drivers depend on, should not be possible for e.g.
>> a 3rd party UEFI driver (or even for the runtime OS) to exhaust.
>> Therefore, it's not *only* the case that SMM drivers must not consume
>> EFI_RNG_PROTOCOL (which exists at a less critical privilege level, i.e.
>> outside of SMM/SMRAM), but also that SMM drivers must not depend on the
>> same piece of *hardware* that feeds EFI_RNG_PROTOCOL.
>>
> The typical model is to seed a DRBG [deterministic pseudorandom
> sequence generator] using a sufficient amount of high quality entropy.
> Once you have done that, it is rather hard to exhaust a DRBG - it is a
> mathematical construction that is designed to last for a long time (<=
> 2^48 invocations [not bytes] according to the NIST spec), after which
> it does not degrade although it may have generated so much output that
> its internal state may be inferred if you have captured enough of it
> (which is a rather theoretical issue IMHO)
> 
> The problem is that using the output of a DRBG as a seed is
> non-trivial - the spec describes ways to do this, but wiring
> virtio-rng to a DRBG in the host and using its output to seed a DRBG
> in the guest is slighly problematic.
> 
> So it seems to me that the correct way to model this is to make the
> host's true entropy source a shared resource like any other.
> 

Yes, I would make SMM use a cryptographic pseudo-random number generator 
and seed it from virtio-rng from DXE, way before the OS starts and can 
"attack" it.

Once you've gotten a seed, you can create a CSPRNG with a stream cipher 
such as ChaCha20, which is literally 30 lines of code.

Paolo

#define ROTL(a,b) (((a) << (b)) | ((a) >> (32 - (b))))
#define QR(a, b, c, d) (			\
	a += b,  d ^= a,  d = ROTL(d,16),	\
	c += d,  b ^= c,  b = ROTL(b,12),	\
	a += b,  d ^= a,  d = ROTL(d, 8),	\
	c += d,  b ^= c,  b = ROTL(b, 7))
#define ROUNDS 20

// initial state:
// in[0] = 0x65787061
// in[1] = 0x6e642033
// in[2] = 0x322d6279
// in[3] = 0x7465206b
// in[4]..in[11] = key (seed)
// in[12]..in[13] = 0
// in[14]..in[15] = nonce, can probably use RDTSC?
static uint32_t in[16];

uint32_t chacha_rng(void)
{
	int i;
	static uint32_t x[16], p;
	if (p < 16)
		return in[p++] + x[p++];

	if (++in[12] == 0)
		++in[13];

	for (i = 0; i < 16; ++i)
		x[i] = in[i];

	// 10 loops × 2 rounds/loop = 20 rounds
	for (i = 0; i < ROUNDS; i += 2) {
		// Odd round
		QR(x[0], x[4], x[ 8], x[12]); // column 0
		QR(x[1], x[5], x[ 9], x[13]); // column 1
		QR(x[2], x[6], x[10], x[14]); // column 2
		QR(x[3], x[7], x[11], x[15]); // column 3
		// Even round
		QR(x[0], x[5], x[10], x[15]); // diagonal 1 (main diagonal)
		QR(x[1], x[6], x[11], x[12]); // diagonal 2
		QR(x[2], x[7], x[ 8], x[13]); // diagonal 3
		QR(x[3], x[4], x[ 9], x[14]); // diagonal 4
	}
	p = 1;
	return in[0] + x[0];
}

  reply	other threads:[~2019-11-07 11:37 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 18+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2019-11-07 10:10 privileged entropy sources in QEMU/KVM guests Laszlo Ersek
2019-11-07 10:18 ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2019-11-07 11:19   ` Laszlo Ersek
2019-11-07 11:36     ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2019-11-07 10:25 ` Ard Biesheuvel
2019-11-07 11:37   ` Paolo Bonzini [this message]
2019-11-07 11:55     ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2019-11-07 12:50       ` Paolo Bonzini
2019-11-07 13:33         ` Laszlo Ersek
2019-11-07 13:27     ` Laszlo Ersek
2019-11-07 13:58       ` Paolo Bonzini
2019-11-07 15:11         ` Laszlo Ersek
2019-11-07 11:58   ` Laszlo Ersek
2019-11-07 11:52 ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2019-11-07 12:47   ` Paolo Bonzini
2019-11-07 13:44     ` Laszlo Ersek
2019-11-07 13:54       ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2019-11-07 14:09       ` Ard Biesheuvel

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