From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received-SPF: Pass (sender SPF authorized) identity=mailfrom; client-ip=209.132.183.28; helo=mx1.redhat.com; envelope-from=lersek@redhat.com; receiver=edk2-devel@lists.01.org Received: from mx1.redhat.com (mx1.redhat.com [209.132.183.28]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ml01.01.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E599C21B02822 for ; Wed, 7 Nov 2018 07:14:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtp.corp.redhat.com (int-mx07.intmail.prod.int.phx2.redhat.com [10.5.11.22]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.redhat.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6610458E57; Wed, 7 Nov 2018 15:14:04 +0000 (UTC) Received: from lacos-laptop-7.usersys.redhat.com (ovpn-120-90.rdu2.redhat.com [10.10.120.90]) by smtp.corp.redhat.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A69FD1057055; Wed, 7 Nov 2018 15:14:02 +0000 (UTC) To: "Gao, Liming" References: <4A89E2EF3DFEDB4C8BFDE51014F606A14E3659AB@SHSMSX104.ccr.corp.intel.com> Cc: "edk2-devel@lists.01.org" , Michael Kinney , Andrew Fish , "Leif Lindholm (Linaro address)" , Stephano Cetola , Brian Richardson From: Laszlo Ersek Message-ID: Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2018 16:14:01 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.9.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <4A89E2EF3DFEDB4C8BFDE51014F606A14E3659AB@SHSMSX104.ccr.corp.intel.com> X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.84 on 10.5.11.22 X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.5.16 (mx1.redhat.com [10.5.110.39]); Wed, 07 Nov 2018 15:14:04 +0000 (UTC) Subject: Re: Soft Feature Freeze has started since Nov.1 for dk2-stable201811 X-BeenThere: edk2-devel@lists.01.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: EDK II Development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2018 15:14:05 -0000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi, On 11/07/18 02:12, Gao, Liming wrote: > Hi, all > https://github.com/tianocore/tianocore.github.io/wiki/EDK-II-Release-Planning > lists edk2-stable201811 tag planning. Now, we enter into Soft Feature > Freeze phase. In this phase, the feature under review will not be > allowed to be pushed. The patch review can continue without break. > Here is edk2-stable201811 tag planning. > 2018-08-15 Beginning of development > 2018-11-01 Soft Feature Freeze > 2018-11-08 Hard Feature Freeze > 2018-11-15 Release I don't think an announcement should be made like this, one week after the fact. (If I missed the exact dates on yesterday's stewards' call, then I apologize.) If we are making the announcement about the Soft Feature Freeze on 2018-Nov-07, then the Soft Feature Freeze should start no earlier than 2018-Nov-08 or so. Certainly not retro-actively. Perhaps we should push the schedule by one week. I understand that will prevent the stable tag from being dropped *exactly* three months after start of development (2018-Aug-15). I think that should be fine. Nobody forces us to work in cycles of *exactly* three months. (Even if we slipped over to December, that shouldn't be a huge problem; we'd just call the tag "edk2-stable201812".) The workflow itself is work-in-progress. I realize that has had the dates available all this time. But, the reason we make the announcements in the first place is precisely that people don't keep staring at that page. ( For example, I reviewed and pushed 4 patches yesterday (on 2018-Nov-06): 1 e038bde2679b Revert "OvmfPkg/QemuVideoDxe: list "UnalignedIoInternal.h" in the INF file" 2 98856a724c2a Revert "OvmfPkg/QemuVideoDxe: VMWare SVGA device support" 3 438ada5aa5a1 Revert "OvmfPkg/QemuVideoDxe: Helper functions for unaligned port I/O." 4 328409ce8de7 Revert "OvmfPkg: VMWare SVGA display device register definitions" which are the first four patches (out of five) from the following series: [edk2] [PATCH v2 0/5] OvmfPkg: simply use the Bochs interface for vmsvga These reverts are arguably not bugfixes; they are preparation for re-implementing a feature from scratch (the last patch in that series). Thus, had I known we were already in the Soft Feature Freeze, I wouldn't have pushed them, because the review was not complete before the soft freeze start. But I had just returned from a week (or more) of PTO, there was no announcement on the list yet, and I didn't remember the wiki page. (In the technical sense, the reverts are not disruptive, luckily; they remove code that is dead anyway.) ) This is my opinion at least -- I'm ready to be overruled, but I wanted to voice it. Thanks Laszlo